Hello, I followed the link and am able to run Moi. However it is now called X11 and more importantly only the right window opens in full screen mode sucessfully either using the shortcut/script for full screen or activating the cursor in the appropriate window in the bottom left.
I may be alone but would appreciate any suggestions or thoughts that may help.
Thanks in advance.

Hi phlatt5th,

> However it is now called X11

Yes this is unfortunately a side effect of using the system installed XQuartz and there isn't any way to avoid that currently. This won't get any better until MoI v4.


> and more importantly only the right window opens in full screen mode sucessfully either
> using the shortcut/script for full screen or activating the cursor in the appropriate window
> in the bottom left.

Could you clarify what you mean by "only the right window" - do you mean only the 3D or Right viewports (the viewports on the right-hand side of the split mode viewport layout) can be set to be maximized views?

- Michael

Hi Michael, let me chime in here...

I have added a few screenshots of the behaviour I am seeing:

- screenshot "example 1" shows the overview of all 4 viewports
- example 2 shows what happens when you press the spacebar when the mouse focus is in viewport 1
- example 3 shows what happens when you press the spacebar when the mouse focus is in viewport 3
- example 4 shows what happens when you press the spacebar when the mouse focus is in viewport 4
- the only viewport that shows the expected behaviour is viewport 2 (I did not add a screenshot of that one).

I hope this helps in clarifying this issue.

Yves

Hi Michael,
Thanks for getting back to me. I mean only the Right viewport maximizes and works as expected when triggered by shortcut or menu icon.

Hi phlatt5th and Yves, thanks for showing me what you are seeing. It looks like some problem with child window z-ordering or hiding.

Do you see any change if you resize the main window after switching the view mode?

Another different thing you can try is to disable the new "rootless" / System Integrity Protection system mechanism that is apparently preventing the bundled XQuartz from running and then change the settings in MoI wineskin back to their original settings.

For the MoI wineskin settings, undo the checkbox modifications that were listed here: http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=6967.4

To disable rootless follow these steps:

1. Restart the computer, while booting hold down Command-R to boot into recovery mode.
2. Once booted, navigate to the "Utilities > Terminal" in the top menu bar.
3. Type  csrutil disable  in the terminal window and hit the return key.
4. From the Apple system menu select "Restart" to reboot the machine and System Integrity Protection will now be disabled.

If that does not help then to reenable System Integrity Protection follow the steps above, except use the  csrutil enable  command for step 3.

(Steps copied from https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-turn-off-the-rootless-in-OS-X-El-Capitan-10-11)


Does that work any better?

- Michael

Hi Michael, tried the revert Wineskin and instructions to disable "rootless" in terminal.
Window behavior unchanged.

Hi phlatt5th, thanks for trying that. Can you double check the settings in Wineskin (in the Wineskin "Advanced" dialog under Options tab) - the second to last checkbox for "Force use of wrappers quartz-wm ..." should be checked, while the very last one for "Force use of system installed XQuartz ..." should be unchecked.

Is that what you've got?

- Michael

Hi Michael, when the last one is unchecked it does not launch, see attached screenshot.
Thanks.

Hi phlatt5th,

re:
> Hi Michael, when the last one is unchecked it does not launch, see attached screenshot.

And that's with "rootless" turned off from a recovery boot?

I'm getting a little confused about what steps you have taken, because above you wrote:


> Hi Michael, tried the revert Wineskin and instructions to disable "rootless" in terminal.
> Window behavior unchanged.

I thought that meant that you were able to launch MoI once the last checkbox was unchecked...

I guess I'll have to get an El Capitan setup over here so I can test it.

- Michael

Hi Michael,
rootless turn off on my mac
in terminal and in recovery mode, i've wrote : csrutil disable
the last checkbox is unchecked
It's OK and MoI launch it perfectly BUT the window fullscreen display is damaged again. Only the Right view is OK.

Hi Finema - thanks for testing that. I've got an El Capitan installation set up over here now and I'm able to repeat the same problem. I will look into releasing a new 3.1 version of MoI to fix the viewport maximizing problem so that MoI will then run ok on El Capitan when rootless is disabled.

- Michael

Ok
thanks Michael

Ok, looks like Wineskin has just been updated to work ok on El Capitan now, so I think I will be able to make a new MoI 3.1 release that should work on El Capitan directly, without needing to turn off rootless or install XQuartz separately.

I'll probably be able to get that set up tomorrow.

- Michael

great !

Excellent, thanks Michael,
In researching permanently disabling "rootless" the possibility of leaving the system vulnerable felt uncomfortable.

Thank you Michael that's great

Hi Michael,

Just a note confirming said behavior. I was able to

csrutil enable

and still the viewports won't expand correctly. I assume there is no current fix for this. Thanks for help solving and really looking forward to the new build. :-)

Hi Chipp,

> I assume there is no current fix for this.

Yeah there does not seem to be any way to configure things to fix the viewport maximizing thing for the current 3.0 MoI version. Somehow there is different behavior for hiding windows and the windows that are supposed to be hidden (for the other non-maximized viewports) are sticking around.

But it looks like I will be able to do some workarounds in MoI and roll out a new 3.1 version which will then solve it. Also you won't need to mess with disabling rootless either.

I think I'm on track for being able to get that out later today.

- Michael

Great! Don't worry about the snapshot screen stuff. I'll get it figured out. Thanks!