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 From:  Michael Gibson
7516.11 In reply to 7516.9 
Hi Chipp, if you did want to increase continuity one way would be to untrim the main surface and then retrim it with a curved boundary, and also trim a similar curved boundary on to the inner piece, then you can put in one blend between them (using "Add sync points" to match up points to avoid twisting), looking like this (see attached 3DM file):



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 From:  Michael Gibson
7516.12 In reply to 7516.9 
Also for an increased continuity version it may not be a bad idea to trim off a little bit of the outside of the ridge part, sometimes when you want to blend something smoothly to another surface it can be better if the 2 sides don't try to come to the exact same shape because if one side just very slightly swoops upwards that upwards trajectory will get exaggerated in the blend. So it can sometimes be better to stop a shape while it is for sure going in one consistent direction before putting a blend on it. That's what trimming away some of the outside of the ridge part can help with.

Then to get a good blend you need to use "Add sync points" especially right before and after each corner, so the blend does not get twisted up as it tries to go around the corner. Also in this one I used Planar sections as well:





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 From:  chippwalters
7516.13 
Michael, thanks so much!

Great advice. Here's the tutorial I promised. Let me know if there's anything wrong or I could've done better. Thanks again!



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 From:  Michael Gibson
7516.14 In reply to 7516.13 
Hi Chipp, looks good, thanks for posting the tutorial.

Just a couple of comments - when you select the edges for the blend you can actually select them in whatever order you want, blend will automatically sort them as needed. Not that it's bad to select them in order though, it just isn't required.

And also when you go to do "Add sync points", you can keep adding in as many pairs of point as you need just with one click of the "Add sync points" button, you don't need to push "Done" and click the button again after every individual pair.

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 From:  TpwUK
7516.15 In reply to 7516.13 
Nicely done Chipp :)

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 From:  chippwalters
7516.16 
Thanks Michael and everyone for your help in figuring this out.

FWIW, I believe this is more than just a 'ridge' exercise, but a way in which anyone can add any type of continuous blended element in an already created surface.
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 From:  chippwalters
7516.17 
Here's another cool use for this same technique:


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 From:  Michael Gibson
7516.18 In reply to 7516.17 
Hi Chipp, that's looking good! Yes, using Flow for the construction tends to be more general purpose.

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 From:  chippwalters
7516.19 In reply to 7516.18 
Hi Michael,

Yes, Flow is great, but it doens't create perfect continuous geometry unless you use your double trim / blend technique. Thanks again for sharing that gem!
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
7516.20 
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 From:  BurrMan
7516.21 In reply to 7516.19 
Hey chippwalters,

"Flow doesnt produce a perfect continuous surface"

It will work much better if you make the base surface more of a replica of the target surface...

I had some ideas on this but will be away for another week or so... mostly i wanted to try to use a fillet on the compound surface to get the curve, as opposed to a straight offset...
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 From:  chippwalters
7516.22 In reply to 7516.21 
"It will work much better if you make the base surface more of a replica of the target surface..."

Not exactly sure what is meant here. As far as I can tell, the base surface is a rectangle; the same as the target surface. Only one is bent and the other is not.
Perhaps what you're saying to to try and create the the base surface from the target surface, then edit it? If so, I suspect there still may be a slight continuity issue.
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 From:  BurrMan
7516.23 In reply to 7516.22 
"""""Not exactly sure what is meant here. """""

It has to do with flow analysing the 2 surface structures... When they are disparate, then the result can be distorted a bit...

SO like is the rectangle edges and size the same as the target edges and size? (for 2d) For the 3d surface, the actual structure of the underlying surface matters too. So the target surface, turn on the points for it, then look at the points for the base surface....

There are some demos on the forum that demonstrate the topic.... I am away in cali so can't really get into it too much...
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 From:  chippwalters
7516.24 In reply to 7516.23 
Burrman,

Thanks for that. How do I turn on the points for a surface? I thought I could only do that with edges. Thanks!
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 From:  BurrMan
7516.25 In reply to 7516.24 
Unjoined surfaces will show points. So once you trim that target surface out, and its seperate, you can turn on points for it.. you will notice it has the same points as the full surface too... at this point you can also run ShrinkTrimmedSrf to shrink the underlying surface to a minimal representation.
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 From:  Marc (TELLIER)
7516.26 
Nice video Chipp, thanks for taking the time.

Flow is a most useful tool, I don't use it enough!

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 From:  Mike K4ICY (MAJIKMIKE)
7516.27 
Nice tutorial Chipp!

Sometimes you have to go with the 'flow'. ;-)
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