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 From:  chippwalters
7358.1 
As my workflow in my MoI models becomes more complex, I'm running into more filleting issues. From what I can gather, different solids kernels are optimized for different sorts of geometric operations. In particular, MoI and Rhino are specifically focussed more on NURBS splines and surface modeling, whereas other tools like SolidWorks tend to favor more solids operations with a concentration on fillets and volume edits. This doesn't mean one can't fillet (or shell) in MoI or Rhino, just that it doesn't always work as well.

Frenchy to the rescue with the announcement of the new cloud based Onshape solids modeler. While not as full-featured as SolidWorks, it does have some nice features, including super easy to sign-up for and use along with the fact it's free* to use. Note: you do have to be connected to the Internet as Onshape works IN YOUR BROWSER.

I know others have also suggested Onshape, but I thought a video might help those who haven't yet tried it.

So, I just export as STEP, import into Onshape, perform some fillets and export out as STEP and IMPORT back to MoI. It's quicker than it sounds.

Here's a video describing the workflow of going from MoI to Onshape and back again which takes only a couple of minutes. Actually, quite a timesaver from having to 'debug' the fillets in MoI.



*The Free plan limits concurrent access to 5 private documents-- which is more than enough for using it along with MoI in this fillet workflow.

EDITED: 21 Apr 2015 by CHIPPWALTERS

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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
7358.2 In reply to 7358.1 
<< While not as full-featured
Yes but news appears along weeks :)

In fact the only "real constraint" for free use is 5 Gigas hosting! ;)




and also a big advantage is that you can make some measures! (before maybe a day than Moi have this function! ;)



And seems it has a new concept of animation! ;) minute 0.42

EDITED: 21 Apr 2015 by PILOU

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 From:  futagoza (STEFAN)
7358.3 
Hi Chipp,

>Frenchy to the rescue...

while it's nice that Pilou provides us always with lots of software links, i wonder what do you think about the security of your files in a free cloud environment?
Do your clients agree when you work with such software, i.e. NDA etc? I also don't understand why those companies offer those services for free.
What benefits do they have from this (other than getting our own files for free)?

Don't you think that inexpensive software like ViaCAD or free Inventor Fusion (both with strong filleting support) would complement MoI much better
than those services?

Well, i'm not complaing, just some thoughts.

Regards
Stefan
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 From:  PaQ
7358.5 In reply to 7358.3 
I would be curious to see if viacad could resolve this particular fillet example.
The trial I used last year didn't impress me that much. Yes you can go a little bit further than MoI, but you are still far from the last Spaceclaim video Burr posted recently.
(off course I shouldn't compare 100$ viacad to xxxx$ spaceclaim)

So far I was using an online solution like fusion360, but I hate this process so much that I prefer to waste one hour in MoI resolving the fillet 'by hand' than using this online service :P
Onshape is maybe faster to use, I will give a try (so thanks for posting the guide) ... but hell I'll love to pay MoI twice his price to have a better native fillet library !
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 From:  OSTexo
7358.6 
Hello,

The assumption must be made that the content one loads up to Onshape is unsecured, their TOS is clear that the user is responsible for security of their content and they've indemnified themselves of liability in this regard.

The fact is that browser security is broken, and has been for a long time. I'd also question the inherent risk in that scenario of making sure projects are not accidentally marked public, which really would be a bad day for everyone involved. One must assume that if they are using a cloud service there is no expectation of privacy and security of their content.

The other thing to consider is the amount of potentially valuable IP in one spot. It would be easier to compromise that one location and it's content than thousands of endpoints with a variety of security mechanisms. Even if your content isn't specifically targeted your content may be swept up in the dragnet if someone decides to steal the bulk content and pick through it for bits that can be monetized.

I'm not trying to knock the functionality, it's a nifty piece of tech they've built, just some things to consider.
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 From:  Mark (MARKG)
7358.7 
Michael will get us there, I have no doubt. And MoI's solution will be a model of simplicity to use.

In the mean time, this looks like a pretty slick workaround. Thanks for the demo!
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
7358.8 In reply to 7358.5 
<< (off course I shouldn't compare 100$ viacad to xxxx$ spaceclaim)
As soon as i found a little trick for reload a file .rsdoc format of the free DesignSpark Mechanical = Spaceclaim light)
For the moment I obtain a .SAT but unfortunatly i can't reload it inside MOI, Onshape... :(
here the file .SAT relsult(a simple box with an edge filleted)
http://moiscript.weebly.com/uploads/3/9/3/8/3938813/b.sat

DesignSpark Mechanical has also a cool function : the automatic maximum fillet!
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 From:  blowlamp
7358.9 In reply to 7358.5 
ViaCAD can do that kind of fillet.
In the absence of the original file I created something similar, which I have attached as a STEP file.


Martin.
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 From:  ed (EDDYF)
7358.10 
An interesting recent blog article on this very subject:

14 Cloud Software Myths Debunked for Manufacturing Software

http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2015/03/10/14-cloud-industrial-software-myths-debunked/

An excerpt:
Consider that OnShape has raised $64M in Venture Capital from some top firms. Those guys don’t invest that kind of money unless they smell a huge success in the offing. They are literally betting this company can change the whole face of CAD and garner a big share of that market.

Ed Ferguson
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 From:  chippwalters
7358.11 In reply to 7358.3 
Since you’re asking my opinion on the security of cloud services, here’s my 2 cents.

My last two jobs were EVP and General Manager for Professional Services and VP of Engineering, both for decent sized software companies (>400). I had to deal with IP in the cloud in both positions. Over the years I came to the conclusion our IP was as safe, or safer in the cloud than in our data center or local servers.

Twice our local servers crashed and the backups took days to resolve. Most all networks these days have VPN access, so you’re still one config file away from being able to access the data on them. Big companies, like Pearson Education are now using Google for their email and other infrastructure needs.

For my money, I prefer the cloud for data storage. In fact ALL my data files, including MoI are saved directly to my Dropbox. This way, just in case I need to, I can use Dropbox’s auto archive as a poor mans versioning (I also use incremental save in MoI).
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 From:  OSTexo
7358.12 
Hello,

I can't take the author seriously with such misinformation at very least on item 5 in the article (among others). AWS has a provisional authorization for public unclassified information from the DoD and he's implying that it somehow makes that cloud infrastructure secure? Even if you don't have a background in security and you know to use a search engine you'll know he is talking about things he has no clue about. The problem is I think he's drinking his own Kool-Aid, he thinks his information is secure.

Of course you're never going to hear that from a cloud vendor, it runs contrary to their survival. Depending on the NDA a client would have ever right to come down like a ton of bricks on a firm that played fast and loose like that with someones IP. Using ignorance as an excuse doesn't fly in this case, especially since there are plenty of superior security and compartmentalization strategies available that avoid the dangers of using the cloud. Nowadays IP equals money, if Onshape is even moderately successful I can't imagine the value that one could put on that IP stored there.
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
7358.13 
OK I have the trick ! A long run! :)

The key was DesignSpark Mechanical 1
(I have used DSM 2 so only SPaceclaim 2015 can reload the Sat format! )
With DSM 1 you can directly reload the SAT format inside MOI !!! DSM1 is here: http://zwcad.com.tw/nick/FREE3D/

- So make your object in Moi: export as Step format
- Reload inside DSM 1
- Draw a Sphere(or anything): RightClick on the top Tree Structure - Disable Unlock




- Kill the sphere
- Save as normal DSM format (MyObject.rsdoc)
- Rename in MyObject.zip
_ UnZip - find inside the result the .sab file (folder SpaceClaim/geometry)
- Find the SabSatConverter.exe (inside the folder of DesignSpark Mechanical 1 )

Now the hard part :) You must have enter this line inside the Window dialog of excecute a program ! :)
with address of the 3 parts
sabSatConverter.exe -i c:\path\to\my\inputfile.sab -o C:\path\to\my\outputfile.sat

(for have address of a file inside Windows : Right Click + SHIFT on the File !

mine was something like this! (remark the "", i don't know if its the same for you ) must be a single line!
"C:\Program Files\DesignSpark\DesignSpark Mechanical 1.0\SabSatConverter.exe" -i "C:\Users\Desktop\ku\kub\k.sab" -o "C:\Users\Desktop\ku\kub\k.sat"
Press ENTER your file k.sab is now transformed by magic in k.sat !!!
So I can reload it directly the object with the fillets inside MOI

I don't know if the format SAT is better or not than a format STEP ?

My final test ;) (not exactly the same start and final because i have erased it for write all above! :)
Inside DesignSpark (the program used by Buur for his fillet video)

Inside Moi with the reload in SAT format

EDITED: 21 Apr 2015 by PILOU

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 From:  adamio
7358.14 In reply to 7358.10 
>>>Consider that OnShape has raised $64M in Venture Capital from some top firms. Those guys don’t invest that kind of money unless they smell a huge success in the offing. They are literally betting this company can change the whole face of CAD and garner a big share of that market.

Jon Hirschtick (Founder of Onshape) has also raised Capital in the past for Breaking Vegas (True Story).

Now trusting him with your data is a deferent story :)

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 From:  chippwalters
7358.15 
The issue whether to trust the cloud is very much up for debate. Some individuals absolutely don’t trust it. Others are okay while even other favor the ease of use, cost savings and overall simplicity.

I have found many in IT who don’t trust it at all. Cloud based infrastructure can be a threat to their job security. We know it takes more IT staff to manage a full MS Exchange environment for a company, than a Google Apps domain.

I’m sure the debate will continue to go on and on, but slowly the cloud IS winning. More and more companies are recognizing the cost savings and data control which goes with cloud hosted and SAS solutions.

All that said, we do know one good thing local servers are really good at: hiding emails from the State department if your last name is Clinton. ;-)
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 From:  chippwalters
7358.16 In reply to 7358.5 

"but hell I’ll love to pay MoI twice his price to have a better native fillet library !"


I double that notion! That said, I suspect swapping out a Solids kernel is harder than even the 64-bit port. Still, it would be great!
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 From:  blowlamp
7358.17 
MaidSafe should be a big help with securing our personal information http://maidsafe.net/


Martin.
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 From:  ed (EDDYF)
7358.18 In reply to 7358.17 
... "but hell I’ll love to pay MoI twice his price to have a better native fillet library !"

I agree.

IMHO most of the other proposed changes being discussed are mute if you can't do the basics reliably.

Ed Ferguson
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 From:  OSTexo
7358.19 
Hello,

The question really isn't technical in nature it's one of mindset. If you put a high value on the information you generate and that you hold in trust for others the tools will follow the policy and mindset. I'm not suggesting that cloud based apps aren't useful at all, but an honest assessment has to be done to see what exposure one has with the type of information that someone puts into the cloud, the same assessment that has to be done no matter where you're placing it. There is no getting around the situation that when you push your data to the cloud you've lost control of your IP, and you've just become a much larger target.
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
7358.20 
Ok I have taken a similar volume than Chipp Walters
Work perfectly as my process seen above! :)

Moi --> export Step Inside free DesignSpark V1 --> export and transform in SAT format --> reloaded inside MOI! :)

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