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From: chrisd (CHRIS_DORDONI)
26 Jun 2017   [#31] In reply to [#16]
"Mmmhhh.... there must be a reason why Pixologic implemented it that way. You are the first person, i have read from, saying that it is a nightmare! Why all the ZBrush users are not complaining? :-)"

I have used ZBrush since v1.25. It looks the same now as it did 17+ years ago, just with more buttons and menus. The original developer is artist. If he were an engineer, I'm sure it would look quite different.

I communicated with Pixologic many years ago about the interface and that CAD users in general are going to reject it. I did explain there is crossover between CAD and sculpture, and that will grow in the future. It would be useful to adapt the interface to a more CAD like environment (or offer it as an alternate), and provide tools and workspace that use absolute values so dimensions and location could match the typical 3D cad application.

I think there are a small number of ZBrush users who also use 3D cad applications, although its certainly more than it was almost 20 years ago. Maybe if the VFX and Gaming markets we not growing as fast, it might entice the developers to consider additional markets.
From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
26 Jun 2017   [#32] In reply to [#31]
<< its a nightmare!

Only for the ZModeler! ;)

You can't say that is a pleasure to choose over numerous functions from a board! :)
(even if few are "contextual" !)
Icons are more friendly and better radial icons ! :)
and you must not read the newspaper! :)


From: amur (STEFAN)
26 Jun 2017   [#33]
Thanks for the interesting reply chrisd!

@Pilou: Icons are imho good when you have only a few tools/functions like MoI has, for example.
I think when having tons of tools/functions like ZBrush has, you have more a hard time to remember
what each icon means, because then you have to read the newspaper... :-)

Regards
Stefan
From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
26 Jun 2017   [#34] In reply to [#33]
<< you have more a hard time to remember
what each icon means, because then you have to read the newspaper.

No if the icons are well designed! :)
Sure that is not an easy thing!
From: BurrMan
26 Jun 2017   [#35] In reply to [#34]
""""Do Nothing""""!!!!!! :o

Lol. That would be AFTER you infinitely radius transpose your edge!
From: chippwalters
26 Jun 2017   [#36]
STEFAN,

Please show me your work then we can discuss if Z-Brush can replace all other modelers.
From: amur (STEFAN)
27 Jun 2017   [#37]
Hi Chipp,

you can see my doodles in my signature gallery link. I had also a gallery with more than 260 images hosted
at minus.com, but this service is unfortunately gone :-( . I don't know why the links provided to the ZBrush
beta 4R8 gallery link could not convince you?!

I also see no reason to further discuss this topic, because what should it tell me other than that you have
a different point of view, once i'm fully comfortable with ZBrush...

Best regards
Stefan
From: amur (STEFAN)
27 Jun 2017   [#38]
P.S. with dedicated modeling apps, i meaned classic Polygon/subd modelers like Silo, MODO etc, without fancy scripts usage, where those scripts can do stuff where people would have a hard time modeling such things, regardles of poly modeler or ZModeler.

Regards
Stefan
From: chippwalters
27 Jun 2017   [#39]
"I don't know why the links provided to the ZBrush
beta 4R8 gallery link could not convince you?!"

OK, now I understand. This is a religious discussion for you.

Obviously from your gallery, you are not a master of Zbrush, yet you want everyone to believe it can replace all other modelers. Good for you.

I suspect if I were only to use programs where there were 'best-in-class' designs created, I could start with just about any 3D product; SketchUp, MoI3D, Rhino, Maya, 3DMax, 3D Coat, Blender, Modo and others all have examples with similar or better outcomes.

As one who works as a professional in the industry, I choose to not proselytize how everyone should work. I offer suggestions and my work experience. That's it.
From: amur (STEFAN)
27 Jun 2017   [#40]
Hi Chipp,

"OK, now I understand. This is a religious discussion for you. "

Funny, how you argue...

"Obviously from your gallery, you are not a master of Zbrush, yet you want everyone to believe it can replace all other modelers. Good for you."

Do i have to be one, yet?

"Will Zbrush kill all Polymodellers now ?!"

"Absolutely, categorically, NO."

But everyone should believe you...

"I choose to not proselytize how everyone should work."

I did not, if you see it that way than it is your problem.

EOD

Best regards
Stefan
From: chippwalters
27 Jun 2017   [#41] In reply to [#40]
STEFAN,

My apologies. I thought you were the one contending ZBrush would kill all other modelers. Going back and reading the thread I see that was not your intention. That was what I was reacting to and it's clear now you were not defending Zbrush as the be-all end-all for all 3D.
From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
2 Jul 2017   [#42]
I am always amazed about possibilities of monsters programs of todays! :)
(put speed *2 if you have not enough times! ;)


From: amur (STEFAN)
3 Jul 2017   [#43]
Hi Chipp,

no problem, everything is o.k.!

Best regards
Stefan
From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
3 Jul 2017   [#44]
Retro futurist robot by my friend Etcher (I will make its 15 notes booklets in French :)
http://www.geertmelis.com/

From: TOM (SIRTOM)
4 Jul 2017   [#45] In reply to [#43]
Chipp, Stefan,

Thanking you for the discussion with very valuable points for one
who wanted to get more insights into the topic.

Tom
From: kuro (GAZERKURO)
7 Jul 2017   [#46]
It's always great to see some talented artists around here, really.

Pilou, I had a look on your friend Etcher's robot and I like the design very much. The robot doesn't look very intimidating, instead it reminds me of something oout of either a video game or something that looks like it could belong in a Ghibli movie.

Another thing, do some of you people livestream your stuff? I personally sometimes do that on picarto.tv, a creative livestreaming platform where you can interact with others. Also like the event system where you can basically create your own event, sell tickets so that others can watch you do a tutorial on something. I think it's a pretty cool idea. I know twitch also does creative stuff, but I highly prefer picarto over twitch.
From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
7 Jul 2017   [#47] In reply to [#46]
If you understand French there is Twich for ZBrush, ...at ZBrush.fr (you can of course only show if you prefer! :)
https://www.twitch.tv/zbrushfrance
I am on the last page of the booklet robot! :)
From: kuro (GAZERKURO)
12 Jul 2017   [#48]
thanks for sending your link! Unfortunately I don't understand French and I don't really like to watch livestreams on Twitch... For creative stuff I'd rather watch Picarto.tv to be honest.

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