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The funny thing is that the trial version of Moi has been working fine. I bought the Moi software, and when I tried to install it got this error from Wine:
This program can only be installed on versions of Windows designed for the following processor achitectures: x64

I'm running Linux Mint 22.1 and Wine 9.0. My Intel cpu is i5-8600k

Thanks

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Hi sos, it sounds like it's trying to run under a 32-bit version of Wine instead of a 64-bit version.

How are you launching it? Does it make any difference if you use wine64 instead of just plain wine?

You also might try running:
sudo apt install wine64

to ensure you have a 64-bit wine set up.

- Michael

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Thanks much Michael. I recently changed from Mint 21 to 22, and had to reinstall Wine. Somehow, that wasn't done right. I completely removed Wine and then installed it according to the instructions on WineHQ for the Ubuntu version corresponding to my Mint.

Moi now works great.

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Hi Michael,

I've just switched from W10 over to the latest Linux Mint & was wanting to use my V3 of MoI...
I'd been contemplating this switch for awhile so had delayed upgrading of my MoI until I had everything in place...

I understand that I'll need Wine but unsure as to "which" version of Wine is best suited for getting MoI V3 running..?
Or would this switch to Linux using Wine be far better off if I've upgraded to V4..?

FWIW, I'm facing a similar dilemma with the transferring of my Xara Graphics & Designer 20...
So hoping that "whichever" Wine version I'm needing for MoI will suit Xara 20 as well..?

regards Colin

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Hi Colin,

re:
> I understand that I'll need Wine but unsure as to "which" version of Wine is best suited for getting MoI V3 running..?

It's probably best to try the current stable release of wine to start with.

The current Linux mint release notes (https://linuxmint.com/rel_xia.php) says:

> Or would this switch to Linux using Wine be far better off if I've upgraded to V4..?

Well one of the big differences between MoI v3 and v4 is that v3 is a 32-bit program and v4 is 64-bit.

You may need to do something like "apt install wine32" to get a WINE that can run 32-bit programs for supporting MoI v3.

Also there are a few different driver bugs that MoI v4 can automatically detect and compensate for so generally v4 has the best chance of working.

A lot depends on how good your particular hardware's graphics driver is though.

- Michael

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I am running v4 under Mint 22 and Wine 10 (current) with no problems.

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Hi Michael,

Thanks greatly for helping to clarify "what & how" I'll need to approach this.
I'll install the latest Wine so I'll be ready to bring in the trial of MoI V4, get it running then just upgrade to it.
And hopefully that same Wine package will also work for my Xara PGD V20 install.

> A lot depends on how good your particular hardware's graphics driver is though.
I've just built a new computer using an AMD Ryzen 5 5600GT with onboard Radeon Graphics.
(supposedly good for most Games, so I figured it would meet with the old MoI philosophy...hoping I was right?)

regards Colin

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Hi sos,

Thanks for those details & clarification it all works, that insight is great appreciated.

I'm still fairly raw & new to Linux, having only installed & got it running a few days ago.
So did you install Wine via the LM 22 "Software Manager" or as one of the WineHQ downloads?
If via WineHQ, was it the Ubuntu download??

regards Colin

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You want the Ubuntu directions from WineHQ.
https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/Debian-Ubuntu

If you have installed Wine before, you have to completely remove it. I think the directions I used for removal are in the second response here:
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=394972
You can see there is a lot of discussion there about install. I don't think installing Wine is as awful as it can get in Mint, but most everything else is easier.

When I run winecfg now my default Windows version is Win10. I don't have an entry specific to Moi, so it just ran without adding it via winecfg.

Steve

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Hi Steve,

Thanks for those links & the extra details.
Given I'm tentative about venturing into the Terminal option, I'll try going with the installing Wine via the Software Manager...
If worst comes to worst & those Wine packages don't work for the trial MoI V4, then I've got your link directions.
Will report back to this thread on how things go.

regards Colin

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The Software Manager frequently is not up to date, but in this case it will install Wine 9, which is what I had when I got Moi 4 working. So that should be fine.

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So I've tried installing Wive via the Software Manager using the "LM System Package"...
That gave me Wine 9.0~repack-4build3 but didn't seem to work, so removed it via the Software Manager option.
Tried doing same install but as the "Flatpak" which worked & gave me Wine.

Tried installing the MoI V4 Trial via the Terminal as per a video instruction but it wouldn't initiate...
I've no idea if it's the way I've installed Wine, whether I've not done something right by following the different Terminal commands..?
...but getting MoI to run is not happening.
I did a Timeshift back after doing each of the different failed Wine installs to be sure there was no "remnants".
At this point I've spent the best part of a day trying to fathom the different processes, codes/commands & info related to this...
Unfortunately that's about the limit of where I can go, it's all looking to be "way above my pay-grade".

Can't say I'd recommend a Windows user to try migrating over to Linux, with the idea of using MoI via Wine.

regards Colin

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If you're up for one more attempt, I'm pretty sure this is what I did. I recommend using copy/paste, some of the lines are pretty long, but be sure to get the entire line :)

Taken from a Mint forum post:
make sure that the terminal command
dpkg --list *wine*
displays the following output:
dpkg-query: no packages found matching
If the response is different, post what you got here on Moi forum. I left the removal bits out to avoid clutter.

From WineHQ Debian/Ubuntu install:
sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
cat /etc/os-release
From the cat output, you use UBUNTU_CODENAME or VERSION_CODENAME to select which code path (the first if both are present). Yours should be UBUNTU_CODENAME=noble for Mint 22. I've added that link below.

Before getting the actual code, get access to it (I may not be saying this just right):
sudo mkdir -pm755 /etc/apt/keyrings
wget -O - https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/winehq.key | sudo gpg --dearmor -o /etc/apt/keyrings/winehq-archive.key -
Do note there is a final - in the wget.

Now download the code for noble (Mint 22):
sudo wget -NP /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/dists/noble/winehq-noble.sources

Update everything:
sudo apt update

Install Wine:
sudo apt install --install-recommends winehq-stable

Now, make sure Wine is set to Windows 10 (at least this is what works for me)
winecfg
At the bottom of the Applications tab you'll see Windows Version, make it Windows 10.

Here's hoping!

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Hi Steve,

Thanks for providing all of that, it's greatly appreciated.

I followed each of your directions but at the: "cat /etc/os-release" there was something like "nothing found" or "no file"...
Figured "that" response might've been correct so continued on following your directions.
Each following command did run & supposedly got to the end requiring the [Y/n] entry, to which I did "Y".
That was it for Terminal, nothing more happend...

At this point with my previous attempts, the Application Menu now had the "Wine" sub-menu.
In the last of those attempts, I needed to restart to get the sub-menu to populate with the "winecfg"

Following your directions, this time there was NO "Wine" sub-menu..?
Using the past experience, I rebooted & still no "Wine" sub-menu...
Did a Terminal command: dpkg --list *wine* ,resulting in: dpkg-query: no packages found matching

So at this point I appear to have done everything "by the book" yet it's failed to provide me with any results.
I might go back the the "Flatpak" install which at least gave me a full Wine 9 install & try installing MoI V4 again.

HTH, Colin

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It's odd that you didn't get anything from the cat command, I copied/pasted the string you wrote and got exactly what I expected.
There isn't any reason to have Wine in your application list. This is not an issue.

When you install Moi (after Wine), a desktop icon should be created. In my desktop icon, If I right click and choose Properties, this is the command string:
env WINEPREFIX="/home/steve/.wine" wine C:\\Program\ Files\\MoI\ 4.0\\moi.exe
I'm pretty sure this was created when I installed Moi (after installing Wine).

You should have a desktop icon for the programs that will run under Wine, mine is labeled Wine-C representing the C drive on a Windows machine. Dig down to C:\Program Files\Moi 4.0\moi.exe
You should be able to right click moi.exe and choose Open With -> Wine and start the program.

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Hi Steve,

What you described about Wine & its C Drive was what I had previously with the Software Manager installed "Flatpak".
The "difference" was that mine had the Wine sub-folder in the LM Menu, as per the description on the LM Forum link you'd previously posted.

> "In the Linux Mint application menu, there should be a new submenu titled Wine. Inside the Wine sub-menu you will find among a few other items, the item "Configure Wine" (winecfg)."

Having purged everything once again & Timeshited back again to 3 days ago before I attempted any Wine istalls, I tried reinstalling the "Flatpak"...
This time the Software Manager refused to install a certain number of files & so it appears I've now manged to "break" something..?
Another Terminal purge, another Timeshift, another reboot & that's where I'm leaving it...

Linux Mint is working perfectly fine for all my other needs, I've installed VitualBox with W7 & that gives me an older Xara V9 to open my current Graphics files I'm working on via the VM.
Unfortunately even though I've installed my MoI V3 in that same VBox, the VM Graphics drivers wont allow MoI V3 to display anything within its Views...
Everything else related to MoI V3 at this point appears to be working except the View ports...
(I tried enabling "3D Acceleration" within VBox Display settings but it refuses to engage)
So the argument by various Linux Forum Users to "just use a VM for ANY Windows programs" doesn't seem valid or apply for MoI in this case..?

Having access to my old MoI files via either VirtualBox or Wine whilst on Linux Mint means I can walk away from Windows without any regrets...
Despite all of my researching prior to this migration over to Linux, it hasn't been as easy as the research suggested.

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MoI in VBox.PNG 

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Hi Colin,

re:
> So the argument by various Linux Forum Users to "just use a VM for ANY Windows
> programs" doesn't seem valid or apply for MoI in this case..?

Well it gets more difficult with programs that need to access the GPU like MoI or many games.

It looks like there is some info here:
https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=99224

It looks like you need to include Direct3D support when you install VirtualBox not just set it as an runtime setting?

And it sounds like maybe you need to use an older version of VirtualBox because some GPU functionality was removed from current versions because of security holes?

- Michael

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Hi Micheal,

Thanks for the link & added info.
I'll go do more reading on including the Direct3D support part.
I'm running the VirtualBox package which is available via the Linux Mint Software Manager.

Everything I've done has been based on the following YouTube info from Christopher Barnatt's "ExplainingComputers" channel.
https://youtu.be/kN1MWBa3yiw?si=2qNoacS-wfN_Ec2d

In an effort to help minimise the chances of conflicts for myself, I tried installing only the stuff offered through the LM Software Manager...
Obviously that choice is now starting to present me with problems as I try to getting my preferred Windows programs into place.
Having now "broken" something related to the attempted Wine installs, I'm even more hesitant to start changing out Vbox...

The W7 within VBox has installed itself various Windows Updates, which I've allowed in the hope there's something needed for MoI...
That VBox W7 is running my old Xara PGD V9 just fine, so I just need the installed MoI V3 to run & my old "Graphics package" will be sorted

regards Colin

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Hi Michael,

After some research on the VitrualBox Forum I found a solution for MoI V3 display problem.
Please see attached screen capture of Display settings.

So with Linux Mint 22 running its own Software Manager installed VirtualBox & my "guest" VM W7 is running both MoI V3 & Xara V9

With that now solved & my W7 being x64, is MoI V4 able to run on W7 x64..?
If so then I can upgrade to it & thus avoid my current issues with installing Wine.

regards Colin

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Hi Colin, that's great! Yes, MoI v4 will run on Windows 7, 64-bit only not 32-bit.

Moi v3 was able to run with extremely low amounts of video memory, v4 needs a little more (a byproduct of Direct3D11) for baseline so you may need to increase the amount in your VM settings.

- Michael

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