Full Version: V5 beta Feb-8-2025 available now (Sticky)

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Thanks, I’ll contact you.

Regards,

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Funny enough, I still have an EDU key.

Tom Meeks (who's made a few tutorials for MoI, and who I've personally worked with) was able to secure some for the Youthquest Foundation - and I was among the lucky folks who got to work with him. Even after his organization merged with the school I attended, PHILLIPS Programs (private school for special needs kids like me), and even after graduating three years ago, I still have the EDU V4 key I was provided... though I'm likely gonna buy the standard key, since I'm not in school any more, and thus, using the EDU key would be quite imprudent.

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Hi Spartan, yes Tom Meeks has done a great job teaching kids how to build interesting things using MOI.

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> and thus, using the EDU key would be quite imprudent.

Actually it isn't a problem - you can use your EDU license key for any kind of work, it is not restricted.

- Michael

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Fair enough.

In any case, I'm looking forward to the next release.

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Hi,
I use V4 after having upgraded from V3. As such, I don't have a V4 license; only a v3. Is there any way that I can access the V5 beta or would I need to purchase a new license for V4?
Thanks!

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Hi Rio, you can use the v5 beta with any version 4 license including a v4 upgrade license.

You can put in your v4 upgrade license which starts with VER4UPG into the license key field at https://moi3d.com/beta.htm .

If you are having a problem with your v4 upgrade license not working there please send it to me at moi@moi3d.com .

- Michael

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Hi all,
I decided to try MOI v5 and I migrated my settings by copy appdata and ui folders from v4 to C:\Program Files\MoI 5.0 beta Feb-8-2025.

Most of my settings are there, along with scripts and so on, but I cannot change the axes color as seen on the picture.
No matter the color I chose, axes stay the same (grey).

I can change other settings, like UI size.

Can you please advise?
Thanks

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moiv5axes.png 

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Hi Mr. Yuri, in v5 the Grid options has an additional setting:





If you copied the v4 UI folder over to the v5 install you'll be missing all the UI changes from v5.

If you have made your own changes in files in the v4 \ui folder, you'll need to merge those changes into the v5 UI instead of just copying the v4 file into v5.

I can help you do that if you .zip up your v4 UI folder and attach it here.

- Michael

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GridOptions1.png  GridOptions2.png 

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Hi Michael.

Thanks for offer.

I also noticed that MoI5 doesn't remember my recent files.

When I start after closing and click "File" I don't see my recent files.
Also meshing options (resolution of STL exports) is not remembered.
V4 remembered those.

Looks like "something" is read only.

Juraj

Attachments:
ui.zip

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Hi Juraj,

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> I also noticed that MoI5 doesn't remember my recent files.

That most likely means that the moi.ini file is read-only.

You can see the location of the moi.ini file by going to Options > General and push the "Edit .ini file" button.

That will show a dialog window with the path to the moi.ini file here:



Can you do that in both v4 and v5 and show me what it says?

- Michael

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Hi Juraj, thanks for sending your v4 ui folder.

You don't have any modified files there from the default v4 install, so you don't need anything to be updated there.

Do a new install of v5 and just leave v5's ui folder alone, do not copy the v4 ui folder into the v5 install.

Then your Options > Grid should show the "From theme" or "Custom" options, set it to "Custom".

- Michael

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Hi Michael,

actually, the read-only attribute was the first I tried (sorry not to mention at first) and that is not the blocker.

I restored original MOIv5 program files folder, because Ihad backup :)
so it looks good and moi is remembering files and settings.

However, I had some custom scripts, commands and settings.
Some of them were .ini file modifications guys here (and you) in forum advised me over the years.

Can you please advise on how to transfer those to v5 and not to cause trouble?

Regards,
Juraj

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Hi Juraj,

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> Can you please advise on how to transfer those to v5 and not to cause trouble?

Probably the easiest way is to have both v4 and v5 use the same moi.ini file located in %AppData%\Moi\moi.ini .

That's how it is set up by default.

Is there a specific reason why you have set up a moi.ini file and an appdata folder underneath the install folder in c:\Program Files ?

Is it that you want v4 and v5 to have different settings from each other?

Can you also show the moi.ini location for v4 (in v4 also go to Options > General > "Edit .ini file" button).

Having the moi.ini file located under c:\Program Files is also probably what causes it to be read only - programs running with normal privileges are blocked by the OS from modifying files under c:\Program Files\ . That mechanism is separate from the "Read only" flag in file properties. If you edit the shortcut you use to launch MoI and set the checkbox for "Run as Administrator" then it shouldn't be blocked from writing.

- Michael

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Hi Michael.

> Probably the easiest way is to have both v4 and v5 use the same moi.ini file located in %AppData%\Moi\moi.ini
- Understood

> Is there a specific reason why you have set up a moi.ini file and an appdata folder underneath the install folder in c:\Program Files ?
- I had all in v4 folder so it would be portable. I got that somewhere here in the forum as I wanted to use MoI on my other computer with same configuration. I would like to have same flexibility with v5. I believe it's not against license terms (it's used only by me, no other user).

> Can you also show the moi.ini location for v4 (in v4 also go to Options > General > "Edit .ini file" button)
- it's in my D:\MoIv4\appdata\moi.ini

> Having the moi.ini file located under c:\Program Files is also probably what causes it to be read only...
- I understand. Putting ini file in user appdata solved the issue.

However, I tried to copy some stuff around into appdata, but I cannot get my plugins/addons (whatever they are called - on the picture) to display in v5.
I have some useful stuff there along with object library that I use very often.
With v4, I had all in one folder, portable program which was super easy to backup with complete custom configuration and objects.

Juraj

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moi4plugins.png 

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Hi Juraj,

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> I believe it's not against license terms (it's used only by me, no other user).

It isn't against license terms, but it means you have your current problem where you need to do some extra setup work every time you install a new release because all of your added stuff isn't stored in a central location that can be seen automatically by every install.


> I got that somewhere here in the forum as I wanted to use MoI on my other
> computer with same configuration.

How do you run v4 on your other computer, do you copy D:\MoIv4 over to the other computer every once in a while? Or do you have D:\MoIv4 as a network share and you run it directly from there?


> However, I tried to copy some stuff around into appdata, but I cannot get my plugins/addons
> (whatever they are called - on the picture) to display in v5.

Those buttons come from .js script files inside appdata\startup . Make sure the v5 appdata\startup has the same files in it as your v4 appdata\startup.

- Michael

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Hi Michael,

> It isn't against license terms, but it means you have your current problem where you need to do some extra setup work every time you install a new release because all of your added stuff isn't stored in a central location that can be seen automatically by every install.
- So if I periodically back up %appdata%/roaming/moi I will have absolutely everything backed up (customization, scripts, layout, etc.) or is some of that part of program files folder?

> How do you run v4 on your other computer, do you copy D:\MoIv4 over to the other computer every once in a while? Or do you have D:\MoIv4 as a network share and you run it directly from there?
- I use syncthing to sync my files and as a personal "cloud". MOI folder is part of that.

> Those buttons come from .js script files inside appdata\startup . Make sure the v5 appdata\startup has the same files in it as your v4 appdata\startup.
- Awesome. Thanks a lot.

Is there a thread which would describe what to copy where if I want to make MOI portable?
It's just more convenient for me to have everything automatically synced up.

Thanks

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Hi Juraj,

> - So if I periodically back up %appdata%/roaming/moi I will have absolutely everything
> backed up (customization, scripts, layout, etc.)

It's %appdata%\Moi - backing up %appdata%\Moi will back up all the settings that MoI will save in moi.ini , and your license key, and any mods and additional command scripts that you have installed there.


> or is some of that part of program files folder?

The program files folder does have all the default command scripts like Line, sphere, etc... but those do not change after it is installed so you can back that up just once or back up the installer.


> - I use syncthing to sync my files and as a personal "cloud". MOI folder is part of that.

So if you sync %appdata%\Moi on your other machine to %appdata%\Moi on your main one that should copy your settings and customizations over to the other machine.


> Is there a thread which would describe what to copy where if I want to make MOI portable?
> It's just more convenient for me to have everything automatically synced up.

If you make it portable and contained privately inside of just one single folder you will keep on running into the problem where a new install won't see all the customizations and settings automatically because you're not storing them in a common central location that will be shared between all installs.

So making it portable is what is preventing your new install from being automatically synched up.

If you want everything synced, being portable does not help with that it actually messes it up when you install a new version.

Do not make it portable and make %appdata%\Moi to be synced between different machines. If you do that you should get the same settings and customizations on everything including new installs.

- Michael

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I understand.
I will back up appdata moi folder regularly to keep things in order.
Thanks for your time and help.

Please, keep up the good work.

Regards,
Juraj

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Hallo Michael,
Die V5 sollte ja schon vor ca. einem Jahr erscheinen. Wann ist es denn nun soweit? Ich möchte nicht die V4 kaufen und dann die V5 noch mal extra bezahlen.
Liebe Grüße
Peter

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Hi Peter, sorry I'm still not sure when the final release of v5 will be. I've been waiting for fixes for the ACIS library.

They have just recently sent a bunch of fixes so hopefully not too much longer.

- Michael

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