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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
891.15 In reply to 891.13 
Not an estimation, just the time of a function when this last is successed :) (beginning to the end)
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 From:  Michael Gibson
891.16 In reply to 891.15 
Hi Pilou, where would you expect to see a timer like that in the UI?

For simple operations a timer like that would always be saying like 1 second or something...

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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
891.17 In reply to 891.16 
It is useful when you have started a function and make another thing (another prog or when you go in another place to drink a beer)
when you come back in front your computer, the function is successful, and you know how many times that was ellapsed :)
That will be useful when you will want to make a same function in the futur!
You don't think any time to see your clock : so an internal Moi's clock begin/end function success will be a must :)
Not so difficult I presume :)
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 From:  Michael Gibson
891.18 In reply to 891.17 
Hi Pilou,

> That will be useful when you will want to make a same function in the futur!

But only if you repeat the function with the same input curves. For example sweep generally does not take as long as with it does with your complex curves.


> You don't think any time to see you clock

But you want to see the final elapsed time somewhere, right? Where would I display it?


> Not so difficult I presume :)

Doing the timing itself is certainly very easy. The difficult part is figuring out where in the UI I could display that information back to you, without it just causing clutter for regular use.

The problem is that feature would not do any good for regular simple usage where things are only taking less than a few seconds for each operation... One thing that keeps MoI easy to use is I try to get the most use out of the UI as possible, if something is only useful in one particular special case, it makes it difficult to justify allocating a part of the UI for it.

If I add too many things to the standard UI, pretty soon it gets very cluttered, and once it gets cluttered it gets harder to use.... That would be my concern with this option.

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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
891.19 In reply to 891.18 
Maybe something like this :)
But all that is just a suggestion :)



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 From:  Michael Gibson
891.20 In reply to 891.19 
I see - but that UI would be very specific to just the sweep command...

Would it make sense for only sweep to have this kind of time report in it and not any other functions?

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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
891.21 In reply to 891.20 
For all functions of course :)
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 From:  Michael Gibson
891.22 In reply to 891.21 
> For all functions of course :)

The UI that you show there is only part of the Sweep options dialog - other commands don't have a "Scaling rail" button.

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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
891.23 In reply to 891.22 
< other commands don't have a "Scaling rail" button
But all functions have a dialog box where is writed "Done" or "Cancel"
so there is always somewhere a little place for input the timer for "complex functions" :)
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 From:  Michael Gibson
891.24 In reply to 891.23 
Hi Pilou, there are some places where that won't work.

For example when the boolean commands finish, there aren't any options to adjust, so the "Done" and "Cancel" buttons are removed immediately after the boolean finishes...

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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
891.25 In reply to 891.24 
< so the "Done" and "Cancel" buttons are removed immediately after the boolean finishes...
In this case :)

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 From:  Michael Gibson
891.26 In reply to 891.25 
Hi Pilou, at the moment there is a place there. But in version 2.0 when you are not in a command, that currently blank area will probably be filled with a panel that shows and allows you to edit the properties of the selected object.

Anything that goes in that spot needs to be of a pretty high usefulness for general operation of the program.

I'm sorry - the timer just does not seem to be useful in enough situations to place it in such a prominent place in the UI... Most of the time it would just say "2 seconds elapsed" - it would only be helpful in some very particular and somewhat unusual circumstances.

I've got to be very careful not to add a lot of UI widgets that are only useful in unusual circumstances, because that is how things get cluttered and harder to use!

But one thing I want to add at some point in the future is a mini text log output area where I can write stuff like error messages and additional information, maybe once I figure out where that will go I could add an "elapsed time" message to that output.

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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
891.27 In reply to 891.26 
No problem, it's not vital essential crucial:)
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