Thanks Marco, I can wait until you find it. If I sounded urgent it's just because you yourself described it as a very serious problem and it sounded like it was happening frequently to you. It is sort of frustrating for me to hear that there's a serious problem but having no steps to reproduce it or any examples of the behavior at all.

Thanks, - Michael

I can fully understand Michael :)

It is sort of frustrating for me also not to be able to replicate this very sporadic issue I had.

I don't know what I can say.

I had this strange issue only a couple of times but as I said it happened while I having a little break during my daily job
and many times I do things so quickly that i'm pretty sure I discarded the model and I went back to my job.

I never had any kind of issue like this with Moi and also V4 is fine.

So, don't worry :)

I did so many things quickly and about some weeks ago that for sure I'm getting confused.

I will continue to try to replicate the issue but if I will not find the file you can forget what I've said and not worry about it.

In that case evidently I've made some strange operation or my mind is confused :)

I will let you know.

Marco (mkdm)

Thanks Marco, if you run into it again certainly it would be good to know! But yes please, concrete examples are absolutely vital. Of course I want you to report bugs so I can fix them but at the same time it's not so good to report a sort of "theoretical bug" that you just think is likely to happen based on extrapolation from some other information. That's because when you raise a big alarm about a pervasive and serious bug it makes me stop everything else that I am doing and try to reproduce it over here.

If you just have a worry about whether something like canceling a fillet is not going to work anymore in v4 because of those scripting changes it's probably better to ask a question about it.

- Michael

Hi Michael.


I tried many times to reproduce the issue I described, but without results.

@You : "...That's because when you raise a big alarm about a pervasive and serious bug it makes me stop everything else that I am doing and try to reproduce it over here..."

I apologize Michael!!!
I know what you mean. I'm so sorry... :(
Evidently it was my mistake!!

I really don't know what to say :(

This is the very first time I say a thing here on this forum that I can't prove.
Usually I don't write anything that I can't prove with a real 3dm file.

As I said, many times I do things so quickly during my job break that next time it's better that I save the 3dm file and annotate precisely what I'm doing.

This time I simply remembered that some weeks ago I had an issue while trying to cancel a Fillet command but evidently I'm wrong.

I apologize again.

Forget what I said in my previous posts.

If you want you can also delete all the messages that today I've written about this "hypothetical" and unproven issue.

No problem for me.

Maybe it's better you do so.

Ciao and have a nice day.

Hi Michael,

I've got the Wacom Intuos Pro Medium PTH660.

Thanks.

Hi Marco, it's ok - don't worry I know that you're just trying to help make MoI better!

Just next time it would be good not to raise the alarm quite so quickly. The messages don't need to be deleted, they will be fine.

Thanks, - Michael

Thank you for understanding, Michael!

It's ok!

@You : "...Just next time it would be good not to raise..."

Message received :)

Have a nice day.

Ciao!

Hi Metin, re: Wacom middle mouse button only works after an initial left click - I went and got the same model tablet over here and was able to reproduce the same problem. After digging into it, it appears to be a Wacom driver bug. I was able to also reproduce the same problem in a simplified separate test case project that just makes a window and displays what events it is receiving and it never receives any drag events if the first thing you do is middle click and drag, but it does get them (although actually with a wrong event type) if you do a left click before doing the middle button drag.

So I'm fairly sure that it's something that has to be fixed in the Wacom driver and not in MoI. I've sent in a bug report using their contact form with the minimal test case project code attached.

If you also want to send in a bug report to Wacom to increase the chance that it will reach someone who can fix it, send in the attached .zip file which contains the test case and the bug report can say:

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Subject: Missing or incorrect middle mouse drag events on Mac

Note minimal test case xcode project attached.

Bug #1 - if the first thing you do is try to middle click and drag inside the window, no drag events are sent, only otherMouseDown on press and otherMouseUp when released. Drag events for middle button dragging are only sent if you have done a left click at least once previously.

Bug #2 - when drag events for middle mouse drag are sent after having once done an left click, they are sent as mouseDragged (left button) events and not otherMouseDragged events.

Expected results - drag messages should be sent when the middle button is clicked and dragged same as left/right buttons without requiring an initial left click and they should be sent as otherMouseDragged events rather than mouseDragged events.

Test case is a minimal window/view that sets the window title text when it receives mouse events.

Tested on XCode Version 7.3.1 (7D1014), OS X El Capitan 10.11.4 (15E65)
Wacom Intuos Pro Medium size PTH660
Wacom driver version: 6.3.27-2
Wacom configuration - only setting changed from default is setting the upper barrel button to Middle Click.


Thanks, - Michael

I saw "WACOM pen bugs" with other software here, and a support link:

http://forum.wacom.eu/viewforum.php?f=6
http://www.wacom.com/en-us/support/contact-support

Is this pen tablet a useful tool?

- Brian

Thanks Brian!

re:
> Is this pen tablet a useful tool?

It's particularly useful for artists who have spent a lot of time using a regular pen or pencil for drawing, it gives a lot closer feel to that then using a mouse.

- Michael

I downloaded V4 today after buy v3 and it also seems to work with Linux in Wine HQ. You're a great one!

Hi pafurijaz, that's great - I'm glad v4 is working for you in Linux Wine!

What video driver are you using in Linux?

- Michael

Hi, Michael, some more clarifications:
In my laptop and desktop PC I have Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
The Graphics Card on laptop: Intel(R) HD Graphics 5500 (Broadwell GT2). Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 5500 (Broadwell GT2)
In the other desktop machine I have a the little GeForce GTX 750Ti and moi v4 works even with this card. And with this nvidia proprietary drivers

Michael will be there, in the v.4, a 'move, rotate, scale' gizmo? Something as the 'gumball' in Rhino? Even Zbrush implemented such a gizmo in its latest version. It is something that makes working in 3D space much more intuitive and easy. I you do not have it your plans have it in mind please. It is a much needed thing. Thanks...

Hi Dimitri - MoI does already have a move/rotate/scale mechanism for 2D curves, it's called the edit frame:
http://moi3d.com/3.0/docs/moi_command_reference11.htm#editframe

The focus in general for MoI is trying to make things primarily using 2D curves so that's also why the focus is on a 2D manipulator as well.

I'd like to add in a 3D manipulator at some point as well, I'm not sure if it will be in for v4 or not though - possibly. It hasn't been a priority as of yet because the primary NURBS modeling strategy doesn't involve doing 3D "point sculpting" like poly modeling does.

- Michael

Yes it is true that in Nurbs things work in a different way but I still think that such a manipulator is necessary. It plays a very significant role on giving to the user a very intuitive feedback regarding moves in the 3D space. Having such a manipulator for solids too would be very helpful. But anyway, Moi is already great, wish that the v.4 will be ready very soon... : - )

Hi Michael,

Thanks for the update regarding the Wacom issue. My apologies for not responding sooner.

Good to know that it's a Wacom matter. I will send the bug report to them as well.

Hi Michael,

I've just installed the MoI beta of 12 Dec 2018 on a Mac with high-DPI display. I don't know if this has been reported before, but the viewport indicators ("Perspective", "Front", etc.) are tiny on a hi-DPI display:



If you want me to test anything, just let me know.

Hi Metin,

re:
> I don't know if this has been reported before, but the viewport indicators
> ("Perspective", "Front", etc.) are tiny on a hi-DPI display:

Yes, that's expected for the moment, I don't have proper in-viewport text working quite yet. It shouldn't be too much longer before I'll be able to work on that.

- Michael

Hi Michael,

Ok, good to know that it's a known thingy. I can very well live with it, so no impatience here. :)