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 From:  Darren (DARRENGOLDSMITH)
8568.1 
Hi folks!

I'm just playing with the trial of MoI right now... seeing how it works with my main modeller (Modo), and results so far have been excellent. I have a some questions:

1) I see that the last update of MoI was in 2014? Is that correct? Is there a new update planned soon? Is it still being developed? I just want to know if it's worth buying once my trial has run out.

2) Some folks appear to have a very different-looking UI compared to my trial version (3)... particularly Chipp Walters (I was following one of his tutorials last night). Are these customised, or am I missing a version somewhere?

Cheers,

Darren.
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
8568.2 In reply to 8568.1 
<< 2) Some folks appear to have a very different-looking UI compared to my trial version (3)... particularly Chipp Walters (I was following one of his tutorials last night). Are these customised, or am I missing a version somewhere?

Yes some advanced users have made some variations of the native UI with hard work coding!
Chipp is one of them! ;)
http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=7245.1

Max Smirnov is another one!
http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=6507.1
...

Of course you can use them and customise your own with their systems if the native UI is not enough for you! ;)

Or wait the v4 if there is maybe some new customized functions! ;)

PS Native UI has also some customised functions of colors variation!

EDITED: 30 Aug by PILOU

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 From:  Michael Gibson
8568.3 In reply to 8568.1 
Hi Darren, the last update to MoI was the 3.1 update for the Mac version which was in 2015. I'm doing a significant rewrite for the next version to make the switch to 64-bit and to have a native compiled Mac version instead of using Wineskin, so there has been a longer than normal gap between v3 and v4. That work is in the end stages, so I expect to have the first v4 beta out pretty soon and then things will shift back to a more regular update schedule.

So yes it's still being developed there's just been a lot going on "under the hood" between v3 and v4 particularly for the Mac version. If you look here on the forum you will see daily activity (with a bit of slowdown during the summer) as another sign of life.

- Michael
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 From:  dferyance
8568.4 In reply to 8568.1 
One nice thing about MoI is it just a normal computer program instead of some cloud-based service subscription model. So while it makes sense to care about it being supported and maintained, you don't have to worry about something you bought disappearing entirely. Unfortunately that isn't the norm anymore. I still run Caligari Truespace 3.1 that I bought many years back. Try to do that with "modern" web and cloud-based tools.

I've done some work tweaking scripts and UI elements of MoI too. That is one thing that appealed to me. While the extensibility features can be a bit limiting regarding documentation and integrations, it is still highly tweak-able.
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 From:  Andy Peterson (ANDYPETE)
8568.5 
Hi Darren,
I wouldn’t be concerned with the length of development cycles. Here’s why:

MoI is simple, you won’t need much in a way of a manual.
MoI is dedicated to performing very specific tasks, and it performs exceptionally well.

Because of these two things, the scope of community expectations is narrower than Modo’s. So when updates are released, they’re typically much more meaningful to all users.

Most importantly, MoI a joy to work with.

I use Samuel Zeller’s dark UI. Installs in seconds, and it’s beautiful. The application virtually disappears and suddenly it’s just you and your work.

If Modo is your main modeler, there’s something you might consider: in many situations, the proper time to generate polygons is in the end stages of content creation. If your projects are vast and complex (or a product that gets built), then you’re probably already working in industrial CAD cloud-based or enterprise applications.

If so, MoI is perfect for this ‘alternate’ workflow because its simply the best mesher I know of.

A 64-bit version will take this to a level because we’ll be able to work with much larger assemblies.

But don’t wait for it. The current version of MoI provides value well beyond its cost.

Andy
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 From:  Metin Seven (METINSEVEN)
8568.6 
Well-said guys!

Darren, I used to be purely a polygon subdivision modeler using 3ds Max for quite some years. But these days I'm mainly using MoI 3D and ZBrush, simply because both programs allow you to freely focus on shaping your ideas, without worrying about setting up a correct polygon topology. Subsequently you can generate a nice polygon topology to top it off.

MoI 3D has a very lively and helpful community, which includes the developer himself, Michael, who seems to never become tired of helping his users on a daily basis.

In short: don't hesitate to purchase MoI, you won't regret it. Version 4 is nearing the public beta stage, so you're stepping in at the right moment.

Regards,

Metin

EDITED: 8 Sep by METINSEVEN

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 From:  Darren (DARRENGOLDSMITH)
8568.7 
Thank you, everyone, for your answers! And thanks, Michael, for putting my mind at ease. I'm using MoI on a PC (haven't modelled anything on a Mac for years), but it seems to be really solid, and as others have pointed out, very easy to use. MoI, so far, appears to be a great companion to Modo, especially for those objects which are just a little too tricky to model in SubD. OK, so I'll end up using Poly and SubD objects together, but I'm happy with that.
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 From:  Metin Seven (METINSEVEN)
8568.8 In reply to 8568.7 
Same here Darren, I forgot to mention that I also use Blender a lot, alongside MoI and Zbrush. I love Blender's Dyntopo sculpting technique, which also allows for shaping without worrying about topology.

— Metin

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 From:  Darren (DARRENGOLDSMITH)
8568.9 In reply to 8568.8 
Hi Metin!

I haven't looked at Blender in any detail... the interface kinda put me off a bit... and the right-clicking to select! Arrgggh! :)
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 From:  ycarry
8568.10 In reply to 8568.9 
lol
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 From:  mkdm
8568.11 In reply to 8568.10 
Hi ycarry.

LOL!

IMHO Blender is really a great product.

More I dig into it more I'm fascinating for what can be done with it.

Bye.

- Marco (mkdm)
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 From:  Metin Seven (METINSEVEN)
8568.12 In reply to 8568.9 
:) I hear you, Darren. One of the first things I did was setting the preferences option to left-click select.

The Blender UI can be a bit intimidating at first, especially when compared to MoI, but once you've binge-watched some video tutorials and get to know Blender, things get more and more logical.

Having said this, I still prefer the MoI + ZBrush combination for modeling stuff free of topology worries.

— Metin

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 From:  keith1961
8568.13 In reply to 8568.12 
>I still prefer the MoI + ZBrush combination for modeling stuff free of topology worries.

This just leads me to re-topology worries;)
Keith
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 From:  chippwalters
8568.14 In reply to 8568.13 
Yep, I really hate the whole retopology thing. I'm hoping someone creates a bullet proof retopo tool with full support for poly count targets and SubD. Probably needs AI and/or Deep Learning.

MoI's modeler has enough control in it's export tools to manage poly targets pretty well. Plus, it has great workflow for baking high poly to low poly, in that you can export at both resolutions with only a few mouse clicks.

The reason I'm not using it in my Alamo project is that I really need the component (instancing) and iterative architectural editing capabilities of SketchUp. Looking forward to MoI v4!
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 From:  routb3d
8568.15 
I think the life expectancy of any mouse and Keyboard CAD system is much shorter than most of us are thinking at the moment.

NURBS
Gravity sketch VR
https://youtu.be/Ry91Va6Z3b0

POLY
Oculus Medium
https://youtu.be/x1M21mYImXw

VR and AR is a dramatically better experience for 3D content creators, and will certainly win out in the long haul. That said, the current offering for VR 3D creation is limited relative to its windowed 3D predecessors, but development is happening rapidly, the cost of gear has been cut in half, and people are adopting in droves.

Watch out! VR CAD is coming for us all, and I couldn't be happier about it.. :)
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 From:  PaQ
8568.16 In reply to 8568.15 
... discomfort, headache, stomach awareness, nausea, vomiting, pallor, sweating, fatigue, drowsiness, disorientation, and apathy. Other symptoms include postural instability and retching.

I can't wait =O)
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 From:  Metin Seven (METINSEVEN)
8568.17 
Keith and Chip, retopo can be a pain indeed, but I often get quite good results in ZBrush using ZRemesher with a low poly count and low adaptive size, then perform a Project All, subdivide, Project All again, and so on.

Routb3D and PaQ, I already got RSI from a Wacom Cintiq (sold it again after half a year), so I'm afraid VR creation is not the way to go for me personally. I do love the immersive 360 degrees 3D experience though.

Regards,

— Metin

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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
8568.18 
This is more funny!

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 From:  Darren (DARRENGOLDSMITH)
8568.19 In reply to 8568.10 
Hi ycarry!

Aha... and how long has that been there!? :D

Blender might be worth checking out again.
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 From:  Darren (DARRENGOLDSMITH)
8568.20 In reply to 8568.16 
Yes, PaQ. I can't use VR for some of those reasons. It's horrible... :/
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