Solid creation effecting fillet? 1-20  21-25

 From: Stien (UNCLESTAN) 31 Dec 2016  (1 of 25)
 Hey yall, I am having some trouble filleting a cylinder onto a curved solid, although I have been able to achieve the same fillet when using a straight solid. I am trying to recreate a specific fillet/chamfer like the one shown in this picture. I have been able to get the same look when attaching the cylindrical element to a straight solid, like a box primitive, or an extrusion from a closed curve. However, If I attach the cylinder to a curving solid, I am unable to get the same result. I would love to know why this particular fillet wont calculate, because I feel there is something going on behind the scenes that I am missing. Moi3d provides several ways to make the same shape, but do some of these methods restrict what you can do with that shape moving forward? For instance, differences when creating that curved solid with booleans, or extrusion, or flow. i LOVE Moi3d - and Ive overcome puzzles like this as my knowledge grows deeper. I have tried a ton of possibilities...Theres gotta be a way to make this fillet! The original model comes from a free kitbash set provided by Vitaly Bulgarov. An absolute Moi3d GOD https://www.instagram.com/p/BKsBi9zDrWr/ There are so many questions that could be asked on this one. But i havent seemed to ask the right one yet. ...does the seam on the cylinder have to be in a specific place? ...is there a perfect number that for some reason wont infinitely calculate? ...Should it be a specific type of fillet?(Circular, G1, Constant..) ...Does the calculation just take a long time? ...is it effected by using non corner points in the creation of the solid? ...will this operation work better on a surface? instead of solid ...how does flow change what is possible ? ...do booleans create a fundamentally different object than extruding? ...Should i always start with a "draw solid" primitive? .. is it curving too hard that i need different fillet values on each side, then a certain range will work for the connecting fillet? etc etc etc. Ive tried soO many variations If you solve this one .. idk .. ill bake you a cake or somethin! =) THANKS ps. the attached .3dm doesnt have all my attempts as it wouldnt upload as an attachment, but the large file with all my attempts can be found here: http://www.flawlessvictories.net/MoiForum/Frame19.3dm

 From: Michael Gibson 31 Dec 2016  (2 of 25)

 From: Michael Gibson 31 Dec 2016  (3 of 25)
 8244.3 In reply to 8244.1 Hi Stien, in addition to OnShape you could also try bringing your model into ViaCAD as well, the fillet engine that either of those use is able to handle these types of fillets that meet up in sharp corners quite a bit better than MoI. MoI's filleter will probably work fine for the case of all the edges being filleted like in my above screenshot. The type that you're trying to do just doesn't work well in MoI right now unfortunately. - Michael

 From: BurrMan 1 Jan 2017  (4 of 25)
 8244.4 In reply to 8244.3 I couldn't get it to work in ViaCad. Here is the result in SpaceClaim: Maybe someone wants to try it in OnShape? Attachments:

 From: PaQ 1 Jan 2017  (5 of 25)
 8244.5 In reply to 8244.4 The procedure works in Fusion, but I can't get the expected shape for the chamfer :S (I don't know this software very well) Attachments:

 From: Stien (UNCLESTAN) 1 Jan 2017  (6 of 25)
 Wow! Thank you for such a deep response and for testing some examples out. I am going to look further into some different setups before I incorporate SpaceClaim into the workflow, but that was pretty much the result I had envisioned. That being said, I will probably contact the original artist of the piece I am recreating to ask how it was done. Thanks! and hopefully Ill return here to share an all-Moi solution

 From: BurrMan 1 Jan 2017  (7 of 25)
 8244.7 In reply to 8244.6 SpaceClaim is going to be close to \$4k... """"I couldn't do it in ViaCad""""""" I did it in ViaCad!!! (\$99.00) If I do the Boolean operation in MoI, then ViaCAD fails. If I bring the solid objects into ViaCAD "Separately", then I can achieve the result. While SpaceClaim is the best Filleter I have used, ViaCad is pretty awesome, at a REALLY good price. Not everyone using MoI is ready to throw down \$3500+.... Anyway, may do some looksee in Fusion and OnShape. Attachments:

 From: PaQ 1 Jan 2017  (8 of 25)
 8244.8 In reply to 8244.6 Hi Stien, Would be awesome if Vitaly could post some of his MoI work on the forum !

 From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU) 1 Jan 2017  (9 of 25)
 I believe that you can do that for 0 \$ with the free Design Spark Mechanical! ;) http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=6186.1

 From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU) 2 Jan 2017  (10 of 25)
 So for 0 \$ with DesignSpark Mechanichal! (1.0) :)

 From: PaQ 4 Jan 2017  (11 of 25)
 8244.11 In reply to 8244.10 Hey Pilou, can you bring the result back in MoI ? (sorry too lazy to try myself :P)

 From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU) 4 Jan 2017  (12 of 25)
 8244.12 In reply to 8244.11 Seems I was too optimistic! Converter .sab to .sat seems have a glitch! All surfaces are not converted! (or I miss something inside DesignSpark ! ) http://moiscript.weebly.com/uploads/3/9/3/8/3938813/p9.rsdoc http://moiscript.weebly.com/uploads/3/9/3/8/3938813/p9.sat here in French the procedure...http://moiscript.weebly.com/designspark-1.html Rename file MyObject.rsdoc in MyObject.zip Unzip Inside the file resulting there is ...Spaceclaim/Geometry/ ... there is a kabalistic file .sab find the SabSatConverter.exe In Windows line command "C:...\SabSatConverter.exe" -i "C:\Users\Desktop\kabalistic.sab" -o "C:\Users\Desktop\MyObject.sat" Maybe you have a better converter? EDITED: 4 Jan 2017 by PILOU

 From: PaQ 4 Jan 2017  (13 of 25)
 8244.13 In reply to 8244.12 Hi Pilou, Not really, but thanks for the procedure, it might always be handy for some complex fillet scenario !

 From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU) 4 Jan 2017  (14 of 25)
 8244.14 In reply to 8244.13 Yes but if the converter is not reliable that is maybe not so good! :) Maybe Fusion 360 can makes something! :) --- Pilou Is beautiful that please without concept! My Gallery

 From: PaQ 4 Jan 2017  (15 of 25)
 8244.15 In reply to 8244.14 Hi Pilou, Well I tried, but as I posted previously, the fillet/fillet/chamfer don't create the same kind of surface arrangement you get with viacad, spaceclaim or even MoI (when it doesn't failed) on this particular example. And I don't see any other option in Fusion to handle this result differently. Again I maybe miss something.

 From: BurrMan 4 Jan 2017  (16 of 25)
 8244.16 In reply to 8244.13 Here you go PaQ... Step Exported. Attachments:

 From: BurrMan 4 Jan 2017  (17 of 25)
 8244.17 In reply to 8244.15 Hey PaQ, Regarding the Fusion example, yeah, that's a bummer result. The "Ruled Fillet" produces the intended result, but it's a FILLET! The Chamfer option seems to be missing the ability to "Chamfer between surfaces", which is what the Fusion workflow needs, to achieve this.... Just so you don't lose hair over it.