shell on surface with nurb-edges (to make a surface solid)

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 From:  flashnfantasy
649.1 
the attachment shows my problem...

i have made a surface with loft, and now i want to make the surface solid with the shell command
on straight edges it works fine, but on bended edges it seems, every surface is extruding in it's own direction.

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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
649.2 In reply to 649.1 
Can you post your 3dm file?
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 From:  Jesse
649.3 In reply to 649.1 
Hi,

You have more than one surface, it looks more like an open polysurface...I can't tell for sure from the screen shot, but it seems like you have a gap between the surfaces on the corner, which would cause the shelling to exaggerate that condition.
Also, if the shelling distance exceeds the overall proportions of the surfaces by too much, it will cause them to break apart. Oh.. one more thing :-) it just occurred to me that the shell could have gone the wrong direction. Did you try checking "Flip"?

Jesse

EDITED: 3 Jun 2007 by JESSE

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 From:  flashnfantasy
649.4 In reply to 649.3 
There can be no gap - i used three polys to make the lines for an loft.

Propably it could be, that i exceed the shelling angle (if there is one), but from my geometric 'feelings', the corner is not so weird, that it should have problems.

i attached the 3dm
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
649.5 In reply to 649.4 
you right : seems rounded lines + straight lines = problem !
works a little better with loose lofts but it's always not perfect!
Waiting the Michael answer :)

solution is make lofts step by step :)
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 From:  flashnfantasy
649.6 
i loft it with straight, just to test, that is a problem of mixed straight and round.

the picture below shows an offset with a bigger number, all edges are straight.

the offset surfaces are misaligned, but obviously the programm tries to handle them as if they fit together.

you also see, this problem does not only occur on open edges.

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 From:  Michael Gibson
649.7 In reply to 649.6 
Hi flashnfantasy, yes this tends to be a problem with shelling open surfaces that have corners and curved pieces.

There is one older discussion of this that has a similar example here: http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=133.11

If you use Edit/Separate and then shell or offset each piece separately, you can kind of see that the resulting offset surfaces do not connect up to each other smoothly:




This is a pretty tough problem, I'm not really sure what the expected result should be. I guess ideally the offset surfaces should be extended until they meet up cleanly, but this is sort of difficult to calculate in some situations. The problem is that there isn't much in this open surface case to help guide the extensions.

However, it does work well if you shell a solid - this is because when you shell a solid there is an additional surface running along one entire side that can be intersected with the extended surfaces to make the results meet up cleanly.

So in this case your best bet is to build the initial surface as a solid instead - draw some lines to close off each loop and join them, then loft to make this:



Then select the front face, the back face, and the bottom face and run shell, to produce this:




This one now has clean corners:



That works better because when processing the solid since the shelling system is able to properly extend the offsets and trim them back to one common side surface.

So in general if you have corners in your object you'll get better shelling results if you form a complete solid and then shell the solid. Probably it is best to only shell open objects when they are just one single smooth surface piece without any corners in it.

Hope this helps!

- Michael

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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
649.8 In reply to 649.7 
I have fogotten this tricky trick :)
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