Hi Michael - thanks for the quick response.

Mostly good results after loading v3 Beta.

Re the bombing. Yesterday's event was the 2nd time ever that MOI bombed and, at this time, do not believe it is a hardware issue. I frequently work with much larger and more complex MOI and VW files. No excessive heat detected, either.

That said, MOI bombed again after installing v3 Beta today. It followed an attempt to open the files I posted here yesterday - not one file opened via MOI Import>file. When I tried dropping the Illustrator file on the MOI icon in the Mac dock, a small "Invalid Name" dialog box appeared and the file did not open (pic 1). After trying all 8 files, suddenly a dialog box opened - something about X11 not loading. I ignored it and clicked OK thinking I would reboot MOI. Immediately, the computer graphics shut down to the wallpaper. The computer continued running, there were no text graphics and only the wallpaper image remained. The power button was used to shut down. I recall seeing and reacting the same way when that X11 dialog box popped up yesterday followed by the crash. Next time I will get a pic.

A number of tests this morning have yielded positive results (pic 2). Today, Save As is saving a .3dm file, a couple VW>AI>MOI files opened as did the AI-created geometric shape files.

So, I will put to use today and if there are continuuing issues, I may be back.

Cheers,

Leonard

Hi Michael,

The issue remains. The attached AI file opened normally but when a file name was added, that name appears at the top of the window but no file was created in the assigned location. Manipulating the geometry was normal: rotated, duplicated and extruded. Used Save As but no file was created and it disappeared when MOI was closed.

Leonard

Michael,

Most PDFs and EPSs cannot be imported into MOI which is to say the behavior is intermittent. So far, only one eps file has opened in MOI and recently, no pdf files have opened in MOI. In the past, pdf files did open.

Leonard
(Mac 10.6.8)

I just tried to open and or import some .pdf files into MoI with no success.
and I can't import of open them with the previous built (april) either.

Perhaps I'm not following the correct procedure but no luck so far.

cheers,
eric

Hi Leonard, so what you are describing does sound quite mysterious and I don't really have any idea what might be going wrong there.

Can you maybe break things down into some more individual steps - when you say "a file name was added", that means that you are doing File > Save As to save to a 3DM file, right? What directory are you saving into? Is there any difference if you use a simple filename with no spaces in it?

If you save a file and that file is not actually there, then that's a pretty weird and major problem and also one that I have not ever heard from anyone else before...

Are you possibly running any kind of additional software that hooks into things at a low level like any anti-virus system or things like that? If so try disabling that and see if that is what was blocking files from being created properly.


Also can you just save files if you draw them initially in MoI instead of doing any AI import?

Is it possible that you're trying to save on some kind of read-only volume or network drive? If so try saving to someplace on your local hard drive instead and see if that helps.

- Michael

Hi eric,

> I just tried to open and or import some .pdf files into MoI with no success.
> and I can't import of open them with the previous built (april) either.
>
> Perhaps I'm not following the correct procedure but no luck so far.


Does the PDF file contain only image and text data in it?

MoI will only try to read vector path information out PDF files, it's possible for PDF files to not contain any of that particular information in them and if that's the case it won't import anything.

Can you post or e-mail me one of the PDF files that does not open so I can take a look at it? If you zoom in on it a bit and things get all pixellated that means it has a bitmap image in it and not vector data.

- Michael

Hi Michael, update first. I installed MOI on a newer Mac running 10.7.4 and all but one of the original 8 files I posted yesterday opened. Only #6 failed to open. I tried other files as well. So, PDF, AI and EPS files I cannot open with either v2.5 or v3 Beta on my 10.6.8 machine opened using v3 Beta on 10.7.4.

Interesting discovery in answering one of your questions:

>Also can you just save files if you draw them initially in MoI instead of doing any AI import?

NO. They are not saved regardless of selected extension.

Answers to your other questions:

>...when you say "a file name was added", that means that you are doing File > Save As to save to a 3DM file, right?

Yes. The name, with extension .3dm, is added to the top-center of the window but the assigned location has no file with that name. A search of the "computer" for that exact name reveals no file with that name.

>Is there any difference if you use a simple filename with no spaces in it?

It does not seem to make any difference, e.g., attached file "343 fr Dykes wsite2.ai" opens and "DrFrame.ai" does not open.

>If you save a file and that file is not actually there, then that's a pretty weird and major problem and also one that I have not ever heard from anyone else before...

OMG, I guess I should shoot my machine. LMAO!

>Are you possibly running any kind of additional software that hooks into things at a low level like any anti-virus system or things like that? If so try disabling that and see if that is what was blocking files from being created properly.

No. These files act like they are being corrupted somewhere.

>Is it possible that you're trying to save on some kind of read-only volume or network drive? If so try saving to someplace on your local hard drive instead and see if that helps.

No. Saving to local hard drive only. Importing some files wirelessly but some of those open and others don't.

Edit: I have not and am not experiencing any strange behavior with any other software.

Leonard

I can't import your first ai file, but yes for your second as ai

Seems there is in your first ai file a big part of strange code :)

Hi Pilou,

Which file has the strange code? I took files from different origins to try to isolate the issue. Leonard

First ;) from post 12 Dframe .ai
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I was able to load all .ai files into MoI v2.5 and MoI v3.0 beta under OSX 10.6.8. (i skipped file No 6).

Regards
Stefan

Maybe its because I am in PC ?

Frenchy, the pdf wont be "all text"...

Were the ai files being passed between pc and mac at any point? How well does MAC deal with the windows ADS.

The funny thing for the first file of post 1 01 Dykes 201.ai
I can rename it in 01 Dykes 201.pdf
same result!
I can reload each file 1 to 8 except 6 under PC :)

Stefan, thanks for testing; it points to a conflict on this end. Only MOI is experiencing difficulties - VERY strange difficulties.

Leonard

Edited

BurrMan, the Dykes and files with a number like 343 were probably pc (dwg,dxf)>illustrator>MOI. Others are mac>illustrator>MOI. What is ADS? Leonard

Hi Leanard,
ADS=Alternate Data Stream

But I dont think it is that now. It may be a naming convention or something being handled in the files. The original files titles had some funcky characters and big long comma and spacing, but I dont know anything about MoI's ai reader, so I'm going to wait and see if Michael finds anything with it.

Hi Leonard,

> >Also can you just save files if you draw them initially in MoI instead of doing any AI import?
>
> NO. They are not saved regardless of selected extension.


So just to make sure I understand correctly - you are unable to save anything at all from MoI under any circumstances?

For example if you start up MoI and then draw a sphere in it, then if you try to save that newly drawn sphere as a 3DM file it will not save, is that correct?

Is this a new problem? I mean haven't you saved other projects you have created in MoI before this point?


> Hi Michael, update first. I installed MOI on a newer Mac running 10.7.4 and all but one of the
> original 8 files I posted yesterday opened. Only #6 failed to open

Yup, and like I wrote previously this is expected - the #6 file has not been saved from Illustrator with the "PDF compatible" option set. When you save it from Illustrator make sure you set that checkbox on the export options when it is saved and once you do that the resulting .ai file should then load into the v3 beta ok.

- Michael

Hi Pilou,

> 5275.13 In reply to 5275.12
> First ;) from post 12 Dframe .ai
> something like this Line 172 toward the end and even adress url inside ;) But Maybe
> the new import PDF can manage all this ?

That's all normal type of contents of a PDF files which contain compressed (like zipped) data in them - since Illustrator version 9 the AI format changed to actually be the same as PDF. But when you are saving them, you actually need to set a checkbox in Illustrator that says something like "Make PDF compatible" or else without that enabled it will make a kind of strange file that contains only private information in it and not stuff visible to PDF parsers. The new v3 beta should be able to handle PDF files a lot better than previous versions.

- Michael

Hi Burr,

> The original files titles had some funcky characters and big long comma and spacing,
> but I dont know anything about MoI's ai reader, so I'm going to wait and see if Michael
> finds anything with it.

Where are you seeing the funky characters, you mean inside of the file contents themselves?

Some of the .ai files are in the Illustrator v9+ format which means that despite ending in .ai they are actually PDF files, and it's normal for PDF files to contain various binary data inside of it.

- Michael