Hi Michael, and for the license?
Now I use Moi in window. Is it possible convert my license in mac version?
Or I must buy it again?

Ciao Filippo:
a prescindere dalla piattaforma che usi(win-mac) dovrai sempre fare dei rendering per presentare le tue creazioni quindi se sceglierai un motore che sfrutta SOLO la CPU per il calcolo scegli sempre il processore piu' potente,magari a discapito di altri componenti..risparmierai tempo di attesa per il calcolo

se invece opterai per un motore ibrido(CPU+GPU) o addirittura basato solo sul calcolo GPU e tecnologia CUDA allora scegli una scheda video(NVIDIA) col maggior numero di cores e tanta memoria video

MOI pretende pochissime risorse,se il rendering non è una priorita' per i tuoi lavori allora stai tranquillo e spendi poco
questo,come dicevo. a prescindere dalla piattaforma

Mauro

I'd go for the bigger machine. A 27" screen gives you lots of real estate for modelling. Not sure about AMD cards, but then you don't have any choice. The I-7 is a faster processor but has been superceded. The new Intel ones are not available for the Mac yet.

If you are buying an I-Mac, you are not trying to save money. If you were short of money, you wouldn't be buying a Mac, as performance per £/$ etc is not as good as a PC. There is nothing wrong with Macs and a lot of people prefer OSX for usability etc. I have a MacBook and like it but my PC laptop outperforms it and was cheaper.

Edit: Don't buy your extra RAM from Apple. It is way overpriced. Buy it later from Kingston, etc.

OOppsss - Sorry

Hi FiL,

> Hi Michael, and for the license?
> Now I use Moi in window. Is it possible convert my license in mac version?
> Or I must buy it again?

You will be able to use your current v2 license for running the Mac version - I'll probably be setting up some kind of web page where you will be able to go and enter in your license key to download the Mac installer and you will then just use your same license key on the Mac.

So no, you won't need to purchase it again, you will be able to just use your current license and you just use it directly you don't have to do any conversion of the license itself.

- Michael

Bravo!
Cool result of this "Made in France" ;)

I'm using a low end Mac Mini, runs fine, but I did upgrade the RAM to 8GB, make a big difference.

Ciao Mauro, grazie per l'aiuto.
Io sono di quelli che non ci capiscono molto di quello che gira dentro alla scatola del computer.
Da quel che mi dici se prendo il 21,5 dovrei optare per l'i7: questo mi aiuterebbe nel calcolo dei rendering.
Ok, questo l'ho capito e non è un problema (nemmeno economico).

Quello che faccio fatica a capire e spesso non trovo chi mi sa consigliare in merito è che tipo di pc mi conviene prendere.

- se invece opterai per un motore ibrido(CPU+GPU) o addirittura basato solo sul calcolo GPU e tecnologia CUDA allora scegli una scheda video(NVIDIA) col maggior numero di cores e tanta memoria video

Non so perché scegliere un grosso pc oppure un ibrido, oppure ancora una sola GPU potente.
Tutti mi dicono dipende da quello che fai... ma mi pare di capire dai tuoi ragionamenti che lo stesso risultato si può ottenere con più strade.
Su che base fare una scelta? I miei rendering servono per comunicare il prodotto, l'idea... non vanno in stampa.
Ora come ora io rimarrei sull'iMac, perché non vorrei dover cambiare pc fra 3 anni come ho fatto con win... ma non ho problemi a cambiare piattaforma se più performante.
Grazie ancora.
PS: io son di Padova, tu di dove sei?
Filippo

Hello Mauro, thanks for the help.
I am of those who do not understand much of what runs inside the computer box.
From what you tell me if I take the 21.5 should opt for the i7: this would help me in calculating the rendering.
Ok, I've got and it's not a problem (even cheaper).

What I have difficulty to understand and often don't find who can advise me on what kind of computer should I take.

- If instead opterai for a hybrid engine (CPU + GPU), or even just based on GPU computing and CUDA technology, then choose a video card (NVIDIA) with the highest number of cores and lots of video memory

I do not know why choose a big computer or a hybrid or even a single powerful GPU.
Everyone tells me it depends on what you do ... but I understand from your reasoning that the same result can be achieved with more roads.
On what basis to make a choice? My renderings are used to communicate the product, the idea ... do not go to press.
Right now I should be the iMac, because I would not need to change PC in 3 years like I did win... but I have no problem to change if more powerful platform.
Thank again

Hi stevecim,
the RAM is be my second step! ;)
Thank

Filippo

Hi Michael, thanks very nice as usual,
Filippo

Hi SteveMacc,

>I'd go for the bigger machine.
So do I.

>If you are buying an I-Mac, you are not trying to save money. If you were short of money, you wouldn't be buying a Mac, as performance per £/$ etc is not as good as a PC. There is nothing wrong with Macs and a lot of people prefer OSX for usability etc. I have a MacBook and like it but my PC laptop outperforms it and was cheaper.

I made the estimates, but we are not far.
I can save 200/300 € when I buy the pc ... but how much money I spend on antivirus, in time for the operating system updates or another?

>Edit: Don't buy your extra RAM from Apple. It is way overpriced. Buy it later from Kingston
Thank I saw... it's impressive!

FIL >>On what basis to make a choice? My renderings are used to communicate the product, the idea ... do not go to press.<<

All renderings are made to communicate something..did you try some engine?
Now you'll start to make your jewel than you'll need a rendering to show how it'll be,as soon as possible,ten you'll need a better presentation of your product so you'll need a turntable animation....
this always means powerful CPU,more is stronger,faster your image or animation will be delivered
no dubts: choose the faster CPU


FIL>>I can save 200/300 € when I buy the pc ... but how much money I spend on antivirus, in time for the operating system updates or another?<<

An antivirus costs 50€ in a year,updates are free,made in background,so this is not the problem..with a 1500€ budget you can assembly a workstation in PC area!!(like Stevemacc says)

question for MAC users:
I see you can choose an I7 2600 for your MAC,is it overclockable? (see if have the -K- at the end....intel core I7 2600-K-)
Does MAC support overclocking? is it possible to mount an extra fan to improve cooling?

That CPU is the best compromise between price and power,you can overclok it without problems and run costantly at 4GHz(4cores+4 logical with hyperthreading=8cores)

Also take into account that rendering engines are starting to licence by the core - 8 cores = potentially 8 licences.

http://www.3delight.com/en/index.php?page=3DSP_pricing Offers a superb professional rendering engine, free for mono/duel cores, but to get the full power you need to spend. As multi cores have improved and OS's become more stable with them plus the potential for even more cores, virtual or actual, then there is the potential to run on multi processor motherboards, you just know more and more rendering engines will start to take this kind of licencing approach.

Martin

Have to agree with stevemac about $per performance on the PC vs Mac.

if your looking at a Mac there is more to it than just pure performance , my full time work is has a system administrator, have been for the last 20 years, Switched to a Mac at home last October , just a low end Mac mini, dual core i5 and am totally happy with it, for me OSX + hardware design out weighs the preformance hit and with real world apps, it's not that much of a performance

My work pc is a high end HP laptop it cost 3500.00. Quad core i7 8BG ram

using DxO to process my RAW images from Sony 14MP DSLR , the HP will process a image in 18sec. The Mac mini. Running DxO does it in 20sec. Considering my mini only cost 800.00 I'm happy with the 2sec preformance hit.


at work we also have a $1400.00 mac book pro , the build quality of the MacBook is miles ahead of the HP and any other PC laptop I've seen and has a tech with OSX I get to have a unix os with the best GUI I've used since the Amiga 500 :).( I liked OS2 warp has well. ). I'm not calling the Mac/OSX the best home computer around but it,s a nice change to windows :).

P.s Sophos offer a free antivirus for OSX :)

Thanks guys. I continue my research with your instructions.
Fillippo

>>TpwUK-Also take into account that rendering engines are starting to licence by the core - 8 cores = potentially 8 licences.<<

This is applied for 3Delight..Maxwell-VRay-Fryrender offer a single license with more nodes,this means that you buy a license then calculate your render scene with your main computer+others you have
no problems how many cores you have

All we know (mac &pc users) best and wrong things of both OS,don't want to talk about that,just talking about render and this only means power to CPU

this is a benchmark where you can see what i mean


http://randomcontrol.com/index.php?option=com_rcbench&Itemid=140&benchid=1

I had MacBookPro with winxp on it for 1900 €.

Shortly before the end of one year guaranty there was a black strip in the middle of the screen, and the CD/DVD player was defect.

They changed both but the player was still defect, and the changed it once more. After a certain time the player was defect again.

After two and a half year in the morning I had the black screen of death. I looked in the www and found, that a lot of people had the same problem.

My opinion is, that they sell midrange hardware for a very high prize.

This can be seen, when one want to make guaranty for three years. It costs 300€ more. Says everything.

For a PC notebook three years guaranty costs 60€ more.

RUdl

My Macbook developed a fault where the DVD drive would not play properly. It turned out that this was caused by two things. 1) was Apple not liking disk caddys and insisting on the sort of "suck it in" drive you get on a car stereo added to 2) most users are right handed. When you pick up the laptop, you tend to do it with your right hand, grasping it top and bottom of the DVD slot, which is the balance point. This, over time distorts the slot (because it doesn't have a caddy closing it) and prevents DVDs from loading properly. The solution was to wrench it with a wooden stick to open up the slot again. The guy at the Apple Store said it was a well known problem and they would have charged me £50 to solve it in the same way I did it myself. -1 for design then. Generally, though, the build quality of MacBooks is streets ahead of a Dell or an HP.

Apple desktops have a different problem in that you are limited to hardware sold by Apple (at a premium). Want the latest Nvidia graphics card? Forget it. OSX checks the cards for an internal signature and will not load if the card didn't come from Apple. However, a way round this is to use Windows 7 on Mac hardware, then you get Apple build quality with the flexibilty of Windows for hardware. If you are brave, you can re-flash the graphics card so OSX thinks it came from Apple.