thanks for the links Marco!

and yes, surlybird needs to do a tutorial on how he made Ironman... and he needs to do it soon before i lose my mind! (and preferably in video... doing everything slowly... and talking us through every click of the mouse). oh well, a guy can dream.

Hi lonewolfx,

> for now i've been struggling with just the lower half of the face plate
> (the part from the bottom half of the eye down to the mouth opening).
> <....>

Could you please post the 3DM model file with the curves for your current attempt at it? Even if it is incomplete or not a good approach it helps a lot to see actual geometry that you are using, if nothing more than to just really clarify which piece you are referring to - written descriptions are just generally harder to follow than seeing actual geometry.

So if you could please post your current curves that will very often help a lot to clarify your question and just make it more concrete.

- Michael