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 From:  Ambimind
4649.14 In reply to 4649.11 
I don't understand also, my question all along has been: why aren't other forums like this - simple, focused, with great search functionality.

I hope this isn't the start of occupy MOI :)
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 From:  Grendel
4649.15 
JDonner - Are you more used to polygonal modeling than NURBS based modeling? I am not talking of hypernurbs in C4D because that is polygonal modeling. MOI does not behave like that at all. It is more akin to solid/surface modelers like Rhino, solidworks etc...

It will take a different approach to achieve the same result. For instance this approach to modeling would rarely ever select a polygon or face and attempt to extrude more geometry from it. An approach with this type of software would be to start with a larger chunk of geometry and remove profiles with boolean functions or set up profiles (splines) to use as foundations to create the additional geometry with sweep/extrude/revolve tools.

The only modeler that ever really "bridged the gap" so to speak between the techniques was Amapi/Hexagon which blurred the construction methods of both polygonal and NURBS.
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 From:  JDonner
4649.16 In reply to 4649.11 
I don't know why the two of you keep saying that I claimed that the forum is difficult to use, I never said that. I said that it's an awkward layout. I'm pretty sure that most people, including me, find it just as easy to use as other forums, but that's not why I'm talking about. My complaint is this; why force people to get used to yet another forum layout or way of doing things, why not sticking to what most forums use, so that people are accustomed to it from the start? It reminds me a lot of Flash fanboys that force the most awkward menu layout upon their visitors just for the sake of trying to be different.
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 From:  Michael Gibson
4649.17 In reply to 4649.16 
What on earth is awkward about the forum?

The layout is a list of topics going down the left hand side and then the current discussion thread in the pane to the right.

It's very simple.... It's quite curious that you'd consider it to be awkward.


Really, you've worn out your welcome here with rude behavior just starting from your first post - it seems like you will need a lot of help to get things going and just judging from your behavior in your first post I think it will be a lot of unusually frustrating effort to try and help you, so that suggestion that you give up MoI and use something else like you keep mentioning is really a good idea. Not just for you but for the benefit of all of us here as well.

Thanks very much for your attempt at using MoI and I hope that you will have better success with other software and other discussion forums.

- Michael
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 From:  jpaluck
4649.18 
JD

I was brand new to modeling when I bought Moi. I have tried every program under the sun..this is the simplest..very intuitive. In the begining I watched Michaels tutorials and then just played around a lot. I started really undertanding things when I read the documentaion Michael has. It is a VERY good explanation of each command. When I finally read the documentation..lot of lightbulbs when off. Also sounds like maybe your approaching this from a ploygon standpoint..ie your mention of selcting a polygon...nurbs are totally different. My 2 cents read the documentaion..it's very helpful.

I would hate to see your post about C4D if you have these kind issues with MOI

Michael - you cant please all the people all of the time. I will say this since buying MOi in 08 and reading here alot..this the first time I have seen a bitch slap of Moi.
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 From:  JDonner
4649.19 
"From what you are describing, it sounds like you would prefer to have buggier final release with having to apply patches to them later on instead of solid final releases?"

OMG, stop acting like you're the king of reliable software....seriously!

For your information, I've been working in the IT for almost 24 years, I know all about software and as a matter of fact, I've even been a professional programmer in RPG III/IV on IBM mainframes. Some of the things you said just totally boggles my mind. Let me give you a major wakeup call son;

- a lot of beta testers aren't really serious beta testers. Often they're just curious about the new features and very few take the time to test features that they would never use themselves and often they only take take time to report bugs, if they're affecting THEIR current workflow.

- it's an indisputable fact that the greatest test for any software is the time when it's released and used by thousands or in some cases, millions of users (customers or people who use the trial version), all with different experiences, different configurations, different ways of doing things.

- the huge majority of beta testers are people who already have been using the product for quite some time. You will seldom see them bring up issues that might confuse people who are totally new to the software. You'll be surprised how quick users are, to live with or work around certain shortcomings in the software and simply forget about it over time. They often won't be the ones that point out those shortcomings, only newcomers will and the sad thing often is, when they are pointed out, the long time users often don't take those complaints seriously....after all....they got used to the shortcomings.

- all software of this size and larger contains bugs, PERIOD! Don't act like you're so much more special than anyone else, because you're not. And not only that, also your software will have a few MAJOR bugs that most definitely require an update!

- A lot of updates for a .0 release is NOT a good sign, but having NO updates at all is not a good sign either. Don't pretend that your beta test is so much better than anyone elses, because it's not. No matter which way you want to look at it; MANY potential customers DO look at the update policy of a developer, especially when they require that software for professional purposes. You're just sticking your head in the sand, because all you see is just dollar signs with every major release, updates however are seen by you as a nuisance that don't bring any cash.

I asked if there were any updates, to confirm my suspicions about your so called "support". They are now confirmed. Time to look elsewhere. Bye.
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 From:  jpaluck
4649.20 
Michael

Hope you ban this guy..LOL what a troll
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 From:  JDonner
4649.21 In reply to 4649.20 
Sure, a troll takes all that time to write all those long responses. Don't you think it would have been much easier for me to to just say that it sucks? The "It's a troll" is just lame way of immature people like you to respond to anyone who disagrees or shows a dislike. If I were a troll, I would not have taken the time to come up with arguments. The "troll" comments just makes YOU look weak and not me.

Btw, if this program is so "great" as all of you claim, then when does he have so little customers, why isn't it so popular and why are most people willing to spend 2-10 times more on a different product? C'mon tough guys, explain that one to me... unless I'm the one dealing with the trolls. I've learned one thing after 50 years; most great products simply sell itself, period! This one isn't great enough, so it simply doesn't sell. Bye.
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 From:  Mike K4ICY (MAJIKMIKE)
4649.22 
Wise man said:

..."Contention is the spirit of the Devil"...

The Devil never did anything short of promote wickedness, and

"Wickedness never was happiness"

Sad.
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 From:  Michael Gibson
4649.23 In reply to 4649.19 
> You're just sticking your head in the sand, because all you
> see is just dollar signs with every major release, updates
> however are seen by you as a nuisance that don't bring any cash.

This is just more of the rudeness.

But there is a grain of truth in there that a lot of updates require more work.

Being a single person development team I don't have much time to spare, and one thing that helps me spend time more efficiently is to stick with working on one primary development stream and not try to bounce back and forth so much to different releases.

In general for a release once it is wrapped up I'm then focused on moving on and working on the next version.

I will roll out an update if there is some major bug that really messes things up, for example this happened with v1 that a new Internet Explorer release caused v1 to not work, so I put out a 1.1 update to address that.

So there is a possibility of an update for fixing major problems but like I mentioned I put a lot of effort into a long beta period so that the final release is high quality and if all goes well with it then I'm on to the next version and that version is done. The betas of MoI are widely used by a large number of the user base so they get a lot more coverage than what they might typically get with other programs.

Your assertion that it's all only because of $$$ is both rude and incorrect.

- Michael
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 From:  Michael Gibson
4649.24 In reply to 4649.21 
Hi JDonner, you've said your final "bye" now a couple of times.

I will lock this thread now so that last one can actually be your final one.

Thanks for all your understanding about what small single person companies can do!

If you need all the trappings that go with a product from a big corporation that costs 10 times as much, then you're better off with that product and not MoI.

- Michael
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