i know Rich...i know...
this is the reason that both are here,right??
anyway they make great things with R13,easy now make a walkcycle but STUDIO is too expensive for me
thanks for answer Master !

haha I'm no master by all means. Ok I use it 13 years by now So I know my way but I don't see myself as a master.. :-)
R13 is a lot of fun indeed. I love the new character tools. It is easy to build a rig now.
But as said, for hard surface modeling I use Moi3D now. Mainly to learn the application so I can help our forum mebers with questions on C4D->Moi3D->C4D

Peace,
Rich_Art. ;)

Be administrator of a big forum means to be Master
i use C4D since R6 and moi since first beta,i made a lot of stuff in moi then imported in C4D
neved had problems,just inverting polygon's normals and sometime regulate phong tag...nothing else
you are in the right place for modeling,here.
Peace to you,Rich