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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
4023.18 In reply to 4023.16 
Ah, sorry, i had only loaded the normal file :)
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 From:  jotell
4023.19 In reply to 4023.15 
Hi Michael,
I have applied a 100 points Rebuild to the Curve around this Solid.
How could I create a Solid with this Curve (like the original Solid)?
How could I create surfaces with this curve (like the two surfaces of the original solid)?
thanks & regards
Jurgen
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 From:  Michael Gibson
4023.20 In reply to 4023.19 
Hi Jurgen,

> How could I create surfaces with this curve (like the
> two surfaces of the original solid)?

Right now it looks like you're trying to think of following the 3D curve that is swooping around in 3D space.

Instead try to focus on the 2D profile aspects of the shape and try to figure out how you would create some 2D curves to construct it.

So for example note that these side surfaces are straight in one direction:



That kind of straightness usually implies an extruded surface, so to build something like that, get a flat profile curve drawn in one of the 2D Top/Front/Right views that looks like this:



Then you can Extrude this to build the base underlying shape, like this:



Now you want to remove some of that material, create some side profiles something like this:





Now you can use a boolean command to slice the extrusion with that side profile, in this case use the Boolean Intersection command - that will only keep the area from the extrusion that is also inside of that 2D profile curve, like this:



It's also possible to run boolean intersection just directly on the 2 planar profile curves, it will automatically do the extrusions for you, see the help file topic for an example:
http://moi3d.com/2.0/docs/moi_command_reference7.htm#booleanintersection


But basically you can get stuck pretty easily if you're trying to think about how to create something following contours that are swooping around in 3D - instead of thinking like that, try to imagine some larger uninterrupted forms of the object, and build those as some larger initially more simple extended piece (like the extrusion above), and then get your final shape by cutting that object with other profiles to remove material from it.

Basically try to ignore things that look like cut out areas for the first stage of figuring out how to build the basic shape - build a bigger piece first and then make the cut out areas happen by slicing that shape, rather than trying to do something like try to sweep directly along complex 3D swooping boundaries or things like that.

- Michael

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 From:  jotell
4023.21 In reply to 4023.11 
Hi Michael,

you wrote: "Use window selection (where you click in an empty area and then hold down and drag to make a selection rectangle) to select the inner piece in the boolean difference command, since it is not easy to click on it since it is contained within the main piece."

Unfortunately I was not able to select the inner piece using window select (covering the entire object with the selection window).

Could you please explain more detailled how to select the inner piece?

thanks & regards
Jurgen
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 From:  Michael Gibson
4023.22 In reply to 4023.21 
Hi Jurgen,

> Could you please explain more detailled how to select the inner piece?

Please check out these previous posts for some animations and additional descriptions:
http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=1810.2
http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=3324.4

But basically the 2 main things are that you'll want to do the window select starting on the left and dragging towards the right (the left-to-right direction will make a selection box that will only select things entirely inside the box), and normally to do a window select you need to do the initial mouse down in an empty area of the screen - if there is no empty area easily available then hold down both the shift + ctrl keys before clicking which will force a window selection and avoid doing an object drag which is what would normally happen when you click and drag the mouse on top of an object.

- Michael
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 From:  jotell
4023.23 In reply to 4023.22 
Hi Michael,

Thank you for the detailled explanation.

I was now able to select the inner piece and perform the boolean difference.
Unfortunately the result of my first try was not a 'clean' Shell.

But the result of my second try (with the original Solid) was a 'clean' Shell, after:
1. Separating the Solid obtaining 10 Surfaces
2. Joining the 3 Surfaces obtaining Surface A
3. Joining the other 7 Surfaces obtaining Surface B
4. Joining the Surfaces A an B obtaing a/the Solid
5. Offsetting (as you suggested)
6. Boolean Differencing (as you suggested)

Thank you very much again
Jurgen
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
4023.24 In reply to 4023.23 
a little image of the result will be cool :)
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 From:  jotell
4023.25 In reply to 4023.20 
Hi Michael,

I completely agree with you.

My original solid was built the way you suggest, using Boolian operations to cut this solid out of a cube.

Only after running into problems with Shell and/or Fillet I was 'crying' for help.

But now my problem has been solved by following your explanations/suggestions: I was able to produce a 'clean' shell.

Thanks & regards
Jurgen

p.s. your 'realtime' replies are 'breathtaking'.
The next time I will probably get an answer before I hit "Post" ;-)
Thank you again for the excellent support you provide!!
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 From:  Michael Gibson
4023.26 In reply to 4023.25 
Hi Jurgen, you're welcome, and I'm glad you have a solution now!

- Michael
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 From:  jotell
4023.27 In reply to 4023.24 
Hi Pilou,

Please find attached the picture of the object discussed (rouge) and a picture of another object (white).
The white object is a 3D-printed Shell.
3D-printing Shells instead of solids saves material/money.

I am currently in Cannes.
If you are interested we could meet and exchange ideas/experiences.

regards/Jurgen
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
4023.28 
cool sculpture :)
Cannes movie festival is alas closed ;)
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 From:  chrisd (CHRIS_DORDONI)
4023.29 In reply to 4023.27 
Hi Jurgen,

Have you done any work with modeling in support structure, like ribs, so you can produce large pieces?

Chris
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 From:  jotell
4023.30 In reply to 4023.29 
Hi Chris,

The short answer is: no, I have not yet.

The longer answer/explanation is:
I send my STL-files to Shapeways (http://www.shapeways.com) for 3D-printing in PA 2200 (see http://www.shapeways.com/materials/white_strong_flexible).
The maximum size is 70x58x38 cm.
But I have not produced large pieces, as even at $1.50/cm3 it's getting expensive quickly...
For large pieces (up to 1m3) I use currently a hotwire EPS cutting machine.
But I am now trying to design a re-usable mould with MOI to be printed in PA2200, with which I would then like to produce multiple copies of an object.
For this mould I will probably have to build a support structure...

I hope this info is of some use to you
regards/Jurgen
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 From:  chrisd (CHRIS_DORDONI)
4023.31 In reply to 4023.30 
Jurgen,

I can imagine ways that rods, dowels or tubing could be used for large pieces. It would be useful to know if there is a reliable method to model in a support structure (using the printing material itself) that is cost effective.

You must have created some holes in your shape so the unused material could be emptied?

Chris
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