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 From:  leocata
3826.1 
I've used Rhino formany year in university (for geometry modelling) and now I'm using linux for working...I don't see software like MoI or Rhinoceros on linux,but there are a lot of potential user for them...Why not a porting on linux?
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 From:  jbshorty
3826.2 In reply to 3826.1 
There used to be a Rhino build for Linux, at version 3 I believe. But probably was ended for lack of users...
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 From:  Ralf-S
3826.3 
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 From:  DannyT (DANTAS)
3826.4 In reply to 3826.1 
Hi leocata,

Welcome to MoI and the forum, this question has been asked many times and Michael being a one man show will give you the same answer as he did with everyone else asking for a Linux or OSX port.

http://moi3d.com/forum/messages.php?webtag=MOI&msg=1583.1

Cheers
~Danny~
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 From:  Marc (TELLIER)
3826.5 In reply to 3826.3 
-> OS Platform Statistics: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

Interesting stats!!

Funny to see that vista did not rank over 18%, and only for a month!
Mac tripled since 2003

Win 7 64 since February on a new computer here, works great!

Marc
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 From:  Michael Gibson
3826.6 In reply to 3826.2 
Hi Jonah,

> There used to be a Rhino build for Linux, at version
> 3 I believe. But probably was ended for lack of users...

As far as I know, there has never been a Rhino build for Linux.

- Michael
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 From:  Michael Gibson
3826.7 In reply to 3826.1 
Hi leocata,

> Why not a porting on linux?

It's because it takes a lot of work to produce a port, it's something that requires a lot of time investment.

Correspondingly, things that require an investment of a lot of time tend to be difficult to schedule, especially with very limited development resources.


But I have been working on overhauling some of MoI's infrastructure though which may make it able to run better under the WINE system on Linux. I'm not entirely sure about that yet, but there is some good potential that could work. I'll know more about how feasible this is in not too much longer.

- Michael
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 From:  leocata
3826.8 In reply to 3826.7 
I think open source a big resource for expensive task..... but i'm not an manager in It. I'm sure of this: Open office was an little product , today is the office suite for student and small business office... tomorrow is a big competitor for cloud solution! Now the force of OO is Open source!
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 From:  Michael Gibson
3826.9 In reply to 3826.8 
Hi leocata, I'm not sure I follow - you mean you want me to release MoI as open source so that I just give it away for free instead of having it as a commercial product?

How would you expect for me to pay my bills if I gave MoI away for free?

Maybe that's another good reason why not to do a Linux port - Linux users seem to often expect to get all their software for free just like you seem to be suggesting here.

- Michael
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 From:  DannyT (DANTAS)
3826.10 In reply to 3826.9 
Don't worry Michael we'll send some food over for you and the family........do you like beans ? ;)

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~Danny~
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 From:  BurrMan
3826.11 In reply to 3826.10 
I'll keep my mouth shut, I think!!! :o
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 From:  DannyT (DANTAS)
3826.12 In reply to 3826.11 
You mean your hands in your pockets :)
~Danny~
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 From:  Michael Gibson
3826.13 In reply to 3826.10 
Hi Danny, I do like beans, but I checked with the power company and they say I can't pay my power bill in beans... :)

I guess maybe if I fermented them or something I could make some fuel and then run a generator?

- Michael
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 From:  BurrMan
3826.14 In reply to 3826.13 
The power company let's you sell power back to the grid... I wonder if the GAS company will do the same??? :o "BROCKELY for the little guy, please...." (sorry JG)


"""""""You mean your hands in your pockets :) """"""""""

My grandpa used to tell me he was going to cut holes in my pockets to give me something to do!!! :o
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 From:  leocata
3826.15 In reply to 3826.9 
No, I don't believe MoI freeware is a good idea.... But you can thinking two version of MoI:
1- open source MoI developed with help of community
2- an commercial version build on open source version with much features and help
there are a lot of software like Moi but in the future will be there enough space in the market for all?
Open Source is as resource for expensive task like porting.... or adding new features!
So, excuse me for my words.... But i believe the IT world will be different of XX century!
Thanks for your time!

ps: You can see ribon's qcad for a similar situation
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 From:  SteveMacc (STEVEH)
3826.16 
Linux doesn't support DirectX which MoI needs.
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 From:  BurrMan
3826.17 In reply to 3826.16 
"""""""there are a lot of software like Moi """""""""""

I dont think I could disagree more!
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 From:  Michael Gibson
3826.18 In reply to 3826.15 
Hi leocata,

> No, I don't believe MoI freeware is a good idea....

I don't quite understand this part, because the very next thing you say is this:


> But you can thinking two version of MoI:
> 1- open source MoI developed with help of community

So this would be available for free, right?

So how do you combine those 2 statements of saying making it free is not a good idea and then the very next statement is that you say I should make a free version??


> Open Source is as resource for expensive task like
> porting.... or adding new features!

It can work well for that with some kinds of software, where the software is kind of a tool that an entire service and development ecosystem is built around. Certainly a lot of development/programming type software does fit into this category because they are used as just 1 piece in developing a more complex full solution.

MoI is not a development tool like that, it's not like you need a lot of help and additional services to create something using MoI. In fact it's just the opposite - MoI is actually specifically designed to be easy to use so that people are able to do things with it without a lot of learning curve or support required.

So MoI does not at all fit into the same kind of an open source development business model as something like MySQL or things like that which is more along the lines of what you are describing.


> So, excuse me for my words.... But i believe the IT
> world will be different of XX century!

I disagree - you seem to be saying that in the next century there will be only 1 single kind of business model that every software project will use. That's very unlikely because there is a lot of variety in software, different projects lend themselves to different kinds of business models.

The business model for MoI is designed to be simple, I just develop the software myself and sell it to people directly. The multi-pronged kind of combination open source + separate commercial version is a much more complex business model that fits in particularly well with a large corporation that does a lot of consulting or stuff like that. But that complex type of corporate business model is not a good fit for a tiny 1 person company like me.

- Michael
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 From:  Marc (TELLIER)
3826.19 
This make me think about "The surprising truth about what motivates us"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

This is not to say Moi should be open source though, I get the impression that all of Triple squid's arms are quite motivated and already making a difference!

Marc
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 From:  OSTexo
3826.20 
Hello,

Open sourcing MoI would be a disaster. I think MG's focus is right on, and that is what makes MoI great (among other things). I can't possibly see a way that the solution would benefit from any version other than Windows at the moment, unless you want something for nothing and have no qualms about breaking someones back over it.
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