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 From:  Ralf-S
3455.1 
I think SimLab Composer a good addition to Moi3D. :)

[...]
SimLab Composer is an interactive 3D scene building application, which allows the user to combine geometries from different sources (MCAD/CAD and visualization applications) to build 3D scenes.
3D scenes created in SimLab Composer can be exported to many popular file formats including 3D PDF.
The new release of SimLab Composer adds KeyShot (bip) format to the export options, which will enable KeyShot users to take advantage of its 3D scene building capabilities.
In addition to the simple to use rotate, pan and zoom draggers, SimLab Composer provides the user with snap to ground and snap to object utilities, which makes creating 3D scenes easy and fun.
The user of SimLab Composer is able to create copies and instances of existing parts and assemblies in the scene.
SimLab Composer’s ability to maintain CAD tree structure makes it easy for the user to Hide/Show parts, assemblies, and sub assemblies.
SimLab Composer enables users to perform advanced material management, which includes changing the material structure, and controlling material assignment on the surface, body, part and assembly levels.
To learn more about SimLab Composer scene building capabilities please click here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S50R-2n6eT0
To learn more about SimLab Compose please visit SimLab Soft: http://www.simlab-soft.com/3d-products/simlab-composer-main.aspx

SimLab Composer is supported on Windows and Mac
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The price is: 117,- € or $ 149
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 From:  tijai
3455.2 In reply to 3455.1 
Hi Ralf-S,

thanks for the link,
3d-PDF export with all featurers? for 117 euro + Vat (=139,50 euro)

i buy it, hehe

done.. and now waiting for the downloadlink...

i think i have to make a z1000 3d pdf now

thanks again

best regards,

tijai
http://www.tijai.de/index-z.htm
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
3455.3 
Does the rendering is good and speedy?
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 From:  Ralf-S
3455.4 
Hi Pilou,

At the moment I am overwhelmed by the many possibilities, just like Moi.
Please take a look, I think it depends on the number of cores.
The screenshot shows an imported 3D PDF model.
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 From:  Grendel
3455.5 
The renderer looks like Hypershot, is this true. Is there a render size limitation?
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 From:  BurrMan
3455.6 In reply to 3455.5 
Grendel,
I think he is using "Keyshot" which is the old Hypershot.
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 From:  Grendel
3455.7 
Burr - But is it the integrated render engine that Simlab is speaking of on their website? It looks like they may have licensed it from Bunk or Luxion..
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 From:  BurrMan
3455.8 In reply to 3455.7 
Hey Grendel,
I think he is showing an outputed 3dpdf to keyshot. So, built scene in the other app, then brought scene to keyshot through the adobe 3dpdf...

I suppose I should just let ralf answer!! :O
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 From:  Ralf-S
3455.9 
Hi guys,

I use SimLab Composer trial for 5 hours.
Yes on this computer are also HyperShot, KeyShot , HyperMove...

But I think SimLab Composer "brings" advanced/add. materials.
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 From:  Ralf-S
3455.10 
I think it is not a secret ;)
Therefore,.... two licenses ordered in the last minutes. :)
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 From:  Michael Gibson
3455.11 In reply to 3455.9 
Hi Ralf & Burr, so I see what Grendel is asking about.

So note on this page here:
http://www.simlab-soft.com/3d-products/simlab-composer-screenshots.aspx

Which mentions:

    "Simlab Composer contains state-of-the-art, fast, global illumination renderer"


And also note the ring and vehicles on the bottom of that page, they look a lot like HyperShot/KeyShot type output.

On top of that, on this page here:
http://www.simlab-soft.com/3d-products/simlab-composer-whats-new.aspx

    "Version 2.0 adds new exporters including FBX, STL, and KeyShot (bip) "


So that's very interesting that it exports to KeyShot .bip format - I was looking into that myself for a while and it seemed at that time there was not really any documentation for .bip format available, instead it was easiest to write it by using the Luxion libraries directly.


So all of that seems to imply that SimLab contains a licensed version of the Luxion engine as its new render engine.


Ralf, you are really familiar with HyperShot/KeyShot, right? Are you able to get the same kind of render results directly inside of SimLab Composer ?

- Michael
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 From:  Michael Gibson
3455.12 In reply to 3455.10 
Hi Ralf, so your latest post there certainly seems to indicate that the Simlab renderer is the Luxion render engine.

That may be interesting, because that's a lot less expensive than KeyShot.

That may be temporary though, from here:

http://www.simlab-soft.com/3d-products/simlab-composer-licensing.aspx
    "The limited time, introductory price offer of a single commercial license is $149."


Ralf do you notice any big differences between rendering in Simlab versus HyperShot/KeyShot ? Like are the materials different, does Simlab not come with HDRI environments while KeyShot does, stuff like that.

- Michael
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 From:  Ralf-S
3455.13 
Hi Michael,

All my screenshot`s are inside of SimLab Composer.

Please take a look "SimLab Render Settings":
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 From:  Michael Gibson
3455.14 In reply to 3455.13 
Hi Ralf, does the renderer feel generally similar in operation to KeyShot to you?

Any there any major differences or things missing as compared to KeyShot?

- Michael
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 From:  Grendel
3455.15 
I just received a reply from their support:


"Yes, the render engine is close to HyperShot/KeyShot, this is an accurate statement.

SimLab Composer does not include a real time ray tracing which gives you instant feedback, but other than that you should get very close rendering quality.

There is no resolution limit to the final image.

Output images are saved as jpeg.



I think the best thing for you to do is to take SimLab Composer to a test, download the trial and request a trial license. As you are familiar with HyperShot/KeyShot it should be easy for you to make such a test."


So I will be getting the trial because as you say Michael $149 is cheap for the unlimited resolution. I do wish their was an output format for images that carried an alpha channel though tiff or psd.
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 From:  DannyT (DANTAS)
3455.16 In reply to 3455.1 
Thanks Ralf, excellent find!
Will check out.

Cheers
~Danny~
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 From:  BurrMan
3455.17 In reply to 3455.16 
It does look promising. I loaded it and it crashes on "run as demo (save disabled)". I requested an eval license hoping it is just a bug in the licensing Utility for disabled save option. Waiting for that from Amman.

Anybody else loading it up I would appreciate feedback. The forum site for simlabs is pretty non-existant with 2 or 3 posts from the development team.

Anyway.....
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 From:  tijai
3455.18 In reply to 3455.15 
Hello all,

i buyed this software and make some test...

i export the z1000 cockpit from moi in different ways:

1. the 3dm import of moi models (export as 3dm) doesn´t work for me...
look at the image... the hierachie is lost too...

2. the step import works very well, but the hierachie is a bit lost... every named group in moi splits up in single objects with the groupname

3. the obj import doesn´t work... there is only a single line (?) visible... but the hierachie is like in moi... that would be cool... but... no objects visible.
i´m gonna contact the simlab guys for this...

the 3d pdf export is very cool and works very well with the step model... and thats the reason why i needed this software:-)

the render quality and speed is not bad..i like it... the use of any hdr image is possible.. but no alpha output.. just "simple" jpgs...
(there is a "alphamask" button in rmb renderview...but it doesn´t work),

maybe usefull informations

best regards,

tijai











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 From:  BurrMan
3455.19 In reply to 3455.18 
tijai,
With the obj export from MoI, did you try some of the other options like "No n-gons/no weld/Triangles only"?
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 From:  BurrMan
3455.20 In reply to 3455.19 
tijai,
ALso, how about a pdf of the part? can you post it without giving away your model?
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