Hi guys,

just discovered this thread here. I am CEO of the company developing the Software. On September 1st we are going to release the beta Version of the Software now called RenderGin. We actually really do read the NURBS data directly, since we have a technology to render them without tessellation, which is a pretty cool thing. In the old alpha demos trimming was disabled that is correct. The beta however, will be fully functional.

If you want to help us, feel free to send us some IGES or 3dm files for us to check if our loaders get them correctly. Additionally if you want to, we can make some of your models available as example files, to be downloaded directly from within our software. We have a locking option, of cousr, so that you dataset cannot be used except for looking at in RenderGin (i.e. no export to other apps etc.)

I would be happy if you would give the beta version a try, since I think especially with the direct NURBS support we are a perfect match for MOI users :)

Best regards,

Oliver

I attached a screenshot of the current pre-beta build, since the 0.9.5 alpha is quite very old. Rendered is an image of a NURBS dataset with around 1200 NURBS-surfaces and a few thousand trimming curves. Again, note that there is not a single triangle in that scene - ever! Therefor you can zoom in as close as you want and you'll never see edges of triangles. Rendertimes are also very short - this on was rendering one or two minutes or so, however, the image looked nearly the same already after a few second. Computed on an Core 2 Duo, no graphics hardware involved.

Oliver

That's cool! I am very interested in trying this out :)

You make me look forward to September :)

Cant wait to try to the BETA! This looks like a very promising piece of software.

Hello Oliver,
Do you have a rough target price for your app yet??? To go with MoI?

Hello BurrMan,

the price of the normal Version (that is excluding the direct NURBS ray tracing, i.e. "normal" triangular only) will be roughly around 800€ - the price of the Pro Version including the NURBS is still in discussion with our reseller partners.

However, if technically possible and here are enough guys around that do want to have this I was thinking about some sort of special RenderGin-MoI-Edition that will have roughly the same price tag as MoI itself and then only imports the native file format of MoI. However I do not yet know if this is technically doable so I cannot give a promise on this one yet.

In any case, the beta Version will be free of charge and can be used until end of November. Additionally during that beta phase it will be possible to buy the software already at a discount of 30% (and then receiving the 1.0 release for free of course)

Bets regards,
Oliver

I would pick up a MOI edition in a heartbeat

Hi Oliver, Thanks! Do your best with your cohorts on the MoI edition. That sounds attractive..... Good Luck!

Oh happy day - a NURBS rendering app!

-Will

Well from what I read on their forum, I was under the impression that the "Advanced Version" would cost more than 19.99 but not more than 400, or maybe I read it wrong.

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Count me in for a MOI version, this sounds like a great companion to MOI3D.

Hi Steve... I read that as a typo and think they mean 1,900.00 Euros which is roughly $2,500

Count me also on MOI version.

While I like the idea of Moi-centered/priced version and would probably buy one, I'm under the impression that Moi uses the standard nurbs file format, which also works with Rhino etc. As such there's no native Moi file format, is there?

Exactly.

"the price of the normal Version (that is excluding the direct NURBS ray tracing, i.e. "normal" triangular only) will be roughly around 800€ - the price of the Pro Version including the NURBS is still in discussion with our reseller partners."

And how much will that be? €3,000? Without Nurbs, it is useless for MoI.

Hi candide,

> I'm under the impression that Moi uses the standard nurbs
> file format, which also works with Rhino etc. As such there's
> no native Moi file format, is there?

Yes, MoI does not have a special proprietary "MoI only" file format, it uses the 3DM file format (same as Rhino) for its primary format.

- Michael

I downloaded the 0.9.5 Alpha and still no trim curves. I created a simple cube minus sphere and tried importing various file formats (3DM, IGES, etc.), and nothing would render the trim curves.

Yes, 0.9.5 is quite old and many changes have been made since.

From what I can see, 0.9.5 isn't actually useable, but the new Beta (whenever it comes out) should be.

Do you really think that a company who intend to sell the "Normal" version at 800EUR are going to make a special build of the advanced version and then sell it for approx 230EUR(price of MoI). IMHO, Its just sounds like a ploy to get MoI users beta testing their product lol.

Hey guys,

first of all: yes the 0.9.5 *ALPHA* version is quite old and does not support trimm curves! The beta which will be released on September 1st, i.e. very soon, of course does support trimming curves and works very well with various dialects of IGES, STEP and 3dm!

I just now learned, that MoI uses 3dm as file format, which is a good thing, since we should be already compatible then. It would be great if maybe someone could send me a model or two saved by MoI so that we can check this. It doesn't need to be something extraordinary cool and we will use it internally only (unless you ask us to make it available as a demo scene within our software :) ) If you have something just send it to info@numenus.de

Considering the pricing: The Pro Version will most likely end up somewhere between 1500 and 2500 EUR. I see that this is quite a little bit much in contrast to the MoI price tag itself. That is why I would like to come up with an idea how to serve the MoI community and at the same time not cannibalizing the "standard" Pro business (and by doing so our resellers would seek out to kill us :) ).

Any ideas? Maybe a rendering plugin would be a clever solution. Is MoI actually pluggable?

Best regards,

Oliver