Well, what can I say! Thanks for all you tech guys for working out a solution. I am sure I can think of a few more good additions.... back soon.

Thanks Michael for your time and effort on this one.

Hi Keris,

> My only question is, does it work if you try to loop
> multiple faces at the same time?

Yeah, it looks through all loops in the entire model, anytime it finds a loop with 2 adjacent edges selected (or only 1 edge if the edge is not a joined edge between 2 surfaces) then all the edges in that loop get selected.


> Such as, in this model, you want to select the top and
> bottom edges, could you select the four edges needed
> to hint, press loop, and get those correct edges?

Yup, that works fine - that's why it only works if you have 2 adjacent edges on a loop selected and not just any 2 edges in it selected.

So for example if you select these edges:



Then when you run select loop it will make this result:



The loop shown here in red:



is not targeted because even though it has 2 edges in it selected, they are not adjacent to one another in the loop.

- Michael

Hi Marc,

> I imagine it will work with 2d stuff also?

No, not currently - the one that I have right now only targets trimming loops of edges on surfaces like in the example above.

- Michael

So extrude a little the 2D drawing and make the loop ;)

Perfect! I didn't doubt you'd do this well and it would work as it says it should, but I've dealt with Autodesk long enough to know that I should always ask that a logical extension of behavior actually works or not.

Hi Michael...

Below is just for your reference, maybe for better MoI in the future :) :



MoI is still to young :)
We believe one day MoI will have another easy to use and rich tools set.

Hi Anis, unfortunately I don't speak French so that's actually not a particularly good reference for me.

But probably if you need a whole lot of special Fillet functions, something like SolidWorks will be a better tool for that instead of MoI, they just have a lot more focus and specialization in that area.

If you have an example of an actual model that you were working on in MoI where it would have been nice to have some particular selection tool to help you, then please post that model and a description of what you would like it to do, because that is a much better example for me to work off of and use for testing.

I cannot actually test a video, I need to have a model file to load into MoI to be able to actually test new selection methods on it.

- Michael

Hi Michael.....

Today I am not have special case / issue with selection or fillet in MoI.
I just want to give you some idea for selection method by watching video from youtube.

Attached is file that you can use to test.

Thanks !

Hi Anis, thanks for posting the model.

But I also need to know what it is that you wish to do with the model before I could actually test something.

What particular selection task are you trying to optimize in this model?

The new select loop mechanism does work on various parts of this model as well, here is a demo:




> I just want to give you some idea for selection method by
> watching video from youtube.

I'm much more focused on solving problems that MoI users are running into while modeling with MoI than just trying to copy stuff from other software in a video.

It is just not generally a major focus to try and make MoI an exact copy of some other program just for the sake of being the same...

Of course if you are running into a problem with MoI and a video helps to show a solution to your problem, that is more directly to the point. But I need to know more information about your problem to understand that case.

- Michael

Hello Michael
Funny I understand the "English" commentary :)
This was just a Loop selection Manager with case conditions for edges and corners for fillets
(conditions try to make all possible cases)
if you are interested I can detail conditions but seems you know yet all that ;)

Difference with the actual Moi Loop Selection is that you make just "one click selection" + condition
Can be an advantage...or not when you want just a part selection ;)

(Pen-tablet friendly user interface.

MoI features a unique user interface that integrates particularly well with a pen tablet. Unlike most programs, you don't have to constantly tap the Shift, Alt, or Control keys, so you don't have to hover over the keyboard when using MoI. Also right-clicking tends to be awkward with a pen. MoI provides simple left-click methods for view manipulation functions that require right-clicking in other CAD programs.)

This quot is one of the main reasons I got attracted to MoI on the first place. MoI is almost there and it works nicely on my Cintiq 21UX...so I think we should keep it this way:)


As Anis & Pilou I also think on screen widgets (heads-up user interface) is a better approach than keyboard shortcuts ( can you imagine how many shortcuts MoI V5 will have?).

Personally I think with in few yeas every designer will work on a table, touch screen computers and is one of the reasons why vendors like SolidWorks, SpaceClaim http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdkxqgbXaSI&feature=player_embedded InventorFusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8AZR3aXsrI&feature=related etc. have started adapting/redesignig their UI...

just my 2c.

Seems second youtube address is false ;)

@ Michael: And about loop faces selection?

link is updated.

Pilou my post is more about concerning keyboard shortcuts in general rather than a solution to a specific feature (Looped edge selection)....But in that case a double click could make more sense to me.

Yes :)
Sorry my message was for Micheal (edited)

>>>>>As Anis & Pilou I also think on screen widgets (heads-up user interface) is a better approach than keyboard shortcuts ( can you imagine how many shortcuts MoI V5 will have?).
>>>>>


I think the benefit of using shortcuts for alot of these things is that everybody has different needs. I dont need shortcuts that you need.

Can you imagine what the UI will look like full of "WIDGETS"!

The other thing we can rememeber, is MoI is so "Customizable"! When the release is out, and especially down the road (Like V5), Custom Widgets can be made that contain "any" of the commands that you would like. they dont need to be in the UI. Think future. :)

Hi neo,

> As Anis & Pilou I also think on screen widgets (heads-up user
> interface) is a better approach than keyboard shortcuts ( can
> you imagine how many shortcuts MoI V5 will have?).

Being easy to use is actually a much larger overall focus for MoI in general.

Having a whole bunch of stuff pop up right in your face all the time is just not very friendly - if those functions are not needed all the time it makes for a cluttered screen and makes things more difficult to use because when there are a ton of things presented it can then become difficult to find the particular things you need in a huge sea of stuff.

Putting advanced functionality on keyboard shortcuts is a strategy that helps me offer additional features for advanced users but at the same time keeps the overall UI streamlined and very easy to use.

So that's an intentional direction, and it's probably something that will generally increase in the future as well.

The main choice other than that would be to not have the functionality added at all... But that does not seem to be what most people want.


I would like to keep the essential basic stuff working smoothly for tablets, but the fact is that the majority of people using MoI are actually not on tablets.

- Michael

Hi neo, also one other note:

> Personally I think with in few yeas every designer will work on a table

It's very unlikely that this will happen within a few years.

There are just too many problem with the ergonomics of a touch screen for long term desktop use.

For example you can't really work with a touch screen in front of you all day long at a desk because your arm will get too strained by reaching out in front of you all the time.

For some more information see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_screen#Ergonomics_and_usage


Touch screens have actually been available since the 1970s, if they are a much better way for designers to work, wouldn't you have thought it would have happened in the last 30 years?


Certainly that kind of big table or wall UI is really cool for things like presentations or casual use, but not as an every day, all day long work environment.

It's pretty easy to get carried away with the "cool factor" with this stuff...

- Michael

Hi neo, also another one:

> This quot is one of the main reasons I got attracted to MoI on
> the first place. MoI is almost there and it works nicely on my
> Cintiq 21UX...so I think we should keep it this way:)

The thing is, adding in some optional function as a keyboard shortcut does not suddenly ruin all the other aspects of MoI that do work well on a tablet.

You can easily pretend that this new function does not exist, it does not get in your way or interfere with the existing normal operation on a tablet.

- Michael

Hi Pilou,

> @ Michael: And about loop faces selection?

Nothing for that currently, do you have an example where it would be useful to do that?

- Michael