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 From:  Michael Gibson
3030.2 In reply to 3030.1 
Hi Nick, I'm not sure about highlighting the whole row, that may then be too much "in your face"...

Any ideas on something in between?

The thing that seems to make the current one work ok is that there is a fair amount of space between the swatch and the outline, that helps to make the outline stick out some more.

- Michael
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 From:  Nick (BODINI)
3030.3 In reply to 3030.2 
I know what you mean about 'in your face'... and that is the problem... I wish it was more obvious, but as you say, not too obvious (for the sake of the clean UI).

Maybe a box around the swatch + text & make the text a different color. Maybe just the bold the style name?

Thanks for listening. :-)
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 From:  Michael Gibson
3030.4 In reply to 3030.3 
Hi Nick,

> Maybe a box around the swatch + text

The problem with trying to put something other than around the swatch is it makes it makes it look like you can then use that other part to adjust this setting.

Since this setting is controlled by clicking on the swatch, it just does not fit very well to do something aside from the swatch.

Can you possibly show a screenshot of what it looks like on your screen? Are you possibly using a high res monitor or a large or small UI size that makes it not show up very well? Maybe if I can see some conditions where it does not work well I can do something to detect that and draw it thicker or something like that.

- Michael
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 From:  Nick (BODINI)
3030.5 In reply to 3030.4 
Forget my words on the box idea. On reflection, I think a bold text would be my choice. Just something for your eye to easily pick up as it sweeps over to the browser and back to your work.

Here is my screen, I doubt its different than anyone elses.



And when I said "highlight" I was meaning something like this:



Thats my 2 cents anyway. I'm not going to rally hard for this, just a suggestion. :-)

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 From:  Nick (BODINI)
3030.6 In reply to 3030.5 
I guess what I find frustrating is that the color swatch is the indicator of which style is current... but I personally dont care what the color is, I'm concerned about the style's name/title. So when my eye hits the browser box, I have to find the box around the color swatch, then read the name/title. I know it sounds trivial, but after doing this 1000's of times, it gets old. I suppose my concern for the style name/title comes from years of Autocad use... most for ISO9001 firms (they are REALLY concerned about the layer names).

So what I'm saying is that I wish the first thing my eye was drawn to is the name/title, which is why I still think bold maye be a good choice.

Ok, now I'm done. ;-) :-)
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 From:  Ralf-S
3030.7 In reply to 3030.6 
Nick,

Please NO ADESK UI feeling within Moi!
After the first signs of ADESK within Moi, we will immediately stop...
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 From:  Nick (BODINI)
3030.8 In reply to 3030.7 
LOL, hey I'm with you. I was able to quit using that in 2006. ;-)
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 From:  Ralf-S
3030.9 In reply to 3030.8 
LOL, ;-)
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 From:  Michael Gibson
3030.10 In reply to 3030.6 
Hi Nick, you wrote:

> I suppose my concern for the style name/title
> comes from years of Autocad use...

I'm not sure if I understand this part though, because it does not seem like the AutoCAD layer dialog makes any kind of special highlight on the current layer's row, or bold the name?

I took a quick look at AutoCAD 2008 and over here its layer dialog looks like this:



So notice there that in the list of all layers, there is just a checkbox to show which one is the current one, no bolding and the "line item highlighting" is used for a completely different purpose, for a kind of dialog-specific selection state for which layer or layers will be affected by operations like delete.

I'm worried that making a kind of "line item highlight" in MoI like you show would be confused with that kind of a "selection of list item" system.


I guess in AutoCAD there is also a separate control from the layer list that shows the current layer and allows you to change it by clicking on that to get a dropdown. Is that something that helped you in AutoCAD? I'm not so sure about dedicating additional screen space to that in MoI though, since it is redundant with the scene browser ring highlight.


I could probably put in some kind of additional highlight that would not be on by default but that you could turn on by editing moi.ini .


- Michael

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 From:  Michael Gibson
3030.11 In reply to 3030.6 
Hi Nick, I gave making the text bold a try, but I think it feels kind of weird:



Just does not seem right.

I'll see about an optional line highlight.

- Michael
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 From:  Michael Gibson
3030.12 In reply to 3030.5 
Hi Nick, for the next v2 beta I've added in an option in moi.ini that you can enable to highlight the row of the active style so it sticks out more.

It does have a lot of that "in your face" feeling though, so this is off by default.

You'll be able to turn it on by this setting in moi.ini :
[Scene Browser]
HighlightActiveStyleRow=y

And this is what it will look like:



- Michael

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 From:  BurrMan
3030.13 In reply to 3030.12 
I was just about to chime in here. I really like the way it is now and how sleek it is. Wanted to fool around with a few things to see if I could input.

I feel distracted if i have to refer to the browser pane for something I just want a "quick glance reference" of. I find myself "up in the viewport" more when modeling.

What about a swatch that appears in the MoI button on top. It didnt seem too distracting and also available with peripheral vision.

Does it ruin your UI?

EDITED: 12 Dec 2011 by BURRMAN

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 From:  Michael Gibson
3030.14 In reply to 3030.13 
Hi Burr,

> What about a swatch that appears in the MoI button on top.

The problem with that is that it is not uncommon for people to be interested in the name of the style in addition to the color.

The swatch just shows the color, so for that case of someone wanting the name, it is just not enough information.

I've thought some before about putting in a control similar to the style picker in the property panel here:





So notice there that there is a line that has the swatch and style name, and when you click on it it pops out with a list to pick from? That one (which works now) is to be able to see the style of the currently selected object.


I was originally going to put up a similar line as that in that same area for the active/current style.

But some problems with that - it seems to be confusing to have 2 similar lines like that, so it would probably only be able to be shown when there was no selection so that the properties panel was not showing there. That's kind of awkward that you can't see it in all circumstances.

Also it seemed to be less efficient - to set it you need to click on it to open up the menu and then look for the style that you want. The scene browser is more convenient since you can have it basically open already so you just go more directly to the one that you want and click on it rather than having to pop up a dropdown menu. So once I got it working the scene browser, I pretty much gave up on trying to put it in that upper area there.

If you are interested in working with styles a bunch, I more or less assume that you're going to be working with the scene browser quite a bit and that you will be looking at it and interacting with it frequently.

- Michael

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 From:  BurrMan
3030.15 In reply to 3030.14 
Yeah after I posted I also selected an object and noticed that the swatch for the object properties was kindof right below there and with 2 so close, I probably wouldnt have posted that thought. But now that you remind me it has to have a name also (More clors than just RGBK), that is more a reason to chuckle.
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