Hi rhodesy, re: clippling plane - yes I understand now what you are asking for.

That is something that I generally associate more with rendering and presentation type functions though (for a cut-away presentation view) - so far it is something that will probably happen in the future but probably not until a batch of rendering related work takes place. I'm not quite sure exactly when that will happen, but I would guess in v3 sometime.

If something is getting in your way, it is just more simple to hide that stuff rather than have things that involve picking multiple points and different options, etc... - that kind of multi stage stuff tends to add complexity to the UI and it is a big focus of MoI to have things simple and easy to use, so some things that tend to be more complex I kind of postpone for a while.


Also, did the Zoom Area screencap above explain how the target/pivot point works? Does that do what you need for keeping the camera focused on a specific point like you were asking about?

- Michael

Hi Burr,

> I was wondering if "where the viewport is zoomed
> and located" is captureable/definable data for a script?

It wasn't available in v1, but in the last v2 beta the camera and target points are now available to scripts.

For example here is a script that will copy the camera and target locations to the clipboard as a text string:

script:var v = moi.ui.mainWindow.viewpanel.getViewport('3D'); moi.copyTextToClipboard( 'Camera=' + v.cameraPt.toString() + '\r\nTarget=' + v.targetPt.toString() );

Similarly you can set the .cameraPt value to something to place the camera at a certain x,y,z location.

But normally these kinds of things are kind of "per file" settings rather than a global fixed location.

- Michael

Thats great. Exactly what I wanted. If going to do a large house, I could spend a few minutes setting up my "Rooms+keys" then jump around the project. Also lets me know the future is bright in this area.

Michael,
Sorry I needed just one more bit of pointer on this. I need instruction on where I place the data captured.

I used the script to capture the strings, but dont know how to script them back in. At your leisure could you post a script with an example of where the "Camera and Target " values go?

Thanks for the "personalized" time.

Hi Burr, I think you may actually need another new piece to make this work completely properly, which would be a method to set both Camera and Target together.

Otherwise if you set them one at a time I guess it won't work because when you set the camera it will move the target along with it, and when you set the target, it will move the camera along with it.

So I'll look at making a new method in the next v2 beta to set both in one call.


For now an example of setting just the camera point to a specific location :

script:var v = moi.ui.mainWindow.viewpanel.getViewport('3D'); v.cameraPt = moi.vectorMath.createPoint(50.2, 30.5, 10.1);

It takes a "point object", so creating that was maybe the part that was easy to miss?

- Michael

Thanks michael, i wouldn't consider it to be mainly rendering/presentation focused, although it can be used for that for sure. I guess things will be made easier with your new layers system which sounds like your trying to make it as flexible as possible (which is great). Also the hide tool (inverted hide) is useful for working on individual objects so maybe I just need to wait till v2 and see how that goes. I do have a request for the projection tool though which could be useful in this case and that is to have an option to auto group or connect the projected lines over multiple objects so in one opperation you could create a connecte line section through the whole model. On the outside it looks like the hard part is done with the ability to create multiple objects slices with one click - it would just be a question of having them all in one group on completion. Do you think that is a good/feasible idea?
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Yes i think the zoom area tool is great, but this was more a request to easily rotate the camera on its axis whilst foucusing on the same point. Sometimes my camera will twist its way into a strange orbit and i'll end up looking at something on its side or upside down. Just looking for a slider perhaps which i can adjust to rotate the camera back to vertical for example. currently i just do lots of little circles with the rotate gizmo which eventualy brings this round again. Not a biggie though.
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Multiple camera views definately a biggie for me too! Saves you moving your camera each time you want to view your model from a different angle - one camera for close up modelling and another to see the wider impact of those changes.

One reason why im seriously considering switching full time to moi is that I love this interaction you can get with the guy who actually writes/is in charge of the thing - much like fryrender or vrayforc4d (to a slightly lesser extent as they are at the mercy of Chaos group). To me this is becoming a major selling point in software selection. With archicad things move so slowly and it's a get what your given approach with no discussion on what the user wants, which often shows in its feature implimentation! So thank you so much for you responses michael.

p.s. below is just an example of how the section tool could be useful but, like i said maybe i just need to see how i get on with v2!

Hi rhodesy,

re: projection

> it would just be a question of having them all in one
> group on completion. Do you think that is a good/feasible idea?

Actually, that's why the results of the projection are all selected when the command is finished - that lets you apply whatever operation you want to that projected results... That should include being able to set them as a group once grouping is possible, of course!

I probably won't try to generate groups from disconnected objects in a totally automatic way, that can tend to make for extra steps for ungrouping the results for the cases when someone wants to just deal with the plain geometry directly.

Maybe I don't quite understand what you are asking for though...


> Sometimes my camera will twist its way into a strange orbit
> and i'll end up looking at something on its side or upside down.

What do you currently have set under Options > View > Rotate/Pan/Zoom options > Rotation style ? Is there any chance that you have changed this from the default "Rotate around world z axis" option to the "Free Rotation" option? If so you may want to switch that back to the "around world axis" method - that should keep your view untwisted.

Otherwise I may need to see some screenshots of the type of view twisting that you're talking about - it should not be normally necessary to do a bunch of little circles to change the view, unless you have switched to that "Free rotation" style which does not try to keep your head pointing "upwards".


> one camera for close up modelling and another to see
> the wider impact of those changes.

Currently you can do a similar thing by using the "Reset" button at the bottom of the viewport. If you select an object, one press of "Reset" will zoom in so that object fills the screen, and then a second press will go out to view the entire model.

So a combination of Zoom Area (if you want to go to a specific point rather than a particular object or sub-object) and Reset lets you do a similar kind of view manipulation now.


> So thank you so much for you responses michael.

You're very welcome! :)

It helps me a lot to have these discussions as well, I really get quite a lot of ideas for how to improve things this way too!

But some things will go a bit slowly with MoI as well, like I tend to go pretty slow whenever adding things that would require a lot of new UI, that is why it has taken so long to get to object organization type tools.

- Michael