No the "Edge line" on the top is like "lines seams generator" in nurbs ;)
It's only Edge Style drawing!

For the rapidity I believe that I can made all this forms in less than 30 seconds ;)
But only because it's a very simple symmetric form !

If you don't want use the extra plug mirror : you must make a Copy Move + the Scale "-1" (shown and explained above)
so maybe 5 seconds more !

But use plugs is a normal way in sketchup ;)

Hi Pilou, I'm trying your steps in SketchUp, but as far as I can tell you can only push/pull one single outline at a time, is that correct?

I mean you show one step in your instructions, but is that actually 5 different push/pulls, one to cut each rectangle? Or am I missing a way to do multiple simultaneous push/pull ?

re: 30 seconds - I await your video to show it! That much time goes by very fast, so you may be surprised...

Your steps definitely look good though (except not using stock SketchUp!), but also what if the number of holes grows? I think it could be quite tedious to form each hole by an individual push/pull action.

I mean something like this for instance in MoI can be booleaned by selecting all the cutting objects in one boolean operation:





So for example that is 21 holes cut with one boolean in MoI.

- Michael

Yes without extra plug you must make only one surface "Push Pull" in the same time!

But........
There is the genial "Joint Push Pull" (free) by Freddo 6 ( a french guy ;) who made that you show in one pass!
http://www.crai.archi.fr/RubyLibraryDepot/Ruby/JointPushPull.zip


For the video I am rusted (no computer for 2 weeks) but trust me I can made that in a few days ;)

Ps A True Boolean plug is released by Whaat! (not free 10 $ ) http://www.smustard.com/script/BoolTools

Hi Pilou - after trying your solution one other kind of general problem sort of jumps out at me which is such a heavy reliance on mirroring multiple times.

That level of mirroring tends to require a lot more planning and is kind of less of a dynamic sketching/drawing kind of feel...

When you look at the solution I do in MoI, it seems to be to stay more recognizable and sort of "whole" during the entire process.

Your one in SketchUp feels really quite a lot less like natural drawing, to me at least!

- Michael

Yes and there are faces "inside" who are created and must maybe erased by another plugin ;)
(DB tools Clean selection)

mmm....a MoI, Sketchup showdown....interesting :)

Can you do it while cross eyed ! ;)

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Hi Pilou,

> Yes without extra plug you must make only one
> surface "Push Pull" in the same time!

I see - but that means that you were not including all steps in your progression you showed above, you made 5 steps look like 1 step there!

The other thing I noticed is the move * 5 part - I didn't even know you could do that in SketchUp so that is interesting, but it seems that you have to apply the * 5 only after you have copied one item, so you don't really get a chance to dynamically see all 5 items and be able to adjust the spacing with them with the mouse? Unless I am missing something about how it works?

Notice in my video that you get dynamic feedback of the items while in the Array Dir command.

That's actually another part that just feels more dynamic and actually more like drawing for the MoI method for this particular model.

- Michael

Of course I have resumed in "words" in my schema concept else image will be too big!
(5 "push" in the same drawing ;)

The "*" or the "/" are very interesting because that works also for the rotations !

That is very similar to the Array Dir but of course without the "dynamic fead back" ! More rustic!

You must know at the start some measures!

Hi Pilou,

> You must know at the start some measures!

Not if you want to just do a quick sketch!

More dynamic feedback tends to help a lot when you are primarily trying to just quickly draw some idea you had in your head.

- Michael

Hi Pilou, new record in MoI using keyboard shortcuts = 40 seconds! (screen capture video below)

I believe I have fewer steps to complete than you do, so I suspect it will be a lot more difficult than you think to get your version down to 30 seconds... See if you can prove me wrong! ;)

I think you will be surprised how fast 30 seconds actually goes by.

- Michael

You have also some speedy shortcuts ;)

Double-click inside a surface = select the surface + around lines of this surface
(used for select the "rectangle")

"M" + Ctrl = copy + move (used for copy twice the "rectangle" before the "/" between them )

Triple click = Select all (used for the last mirror)

Now I must make some training for have any "idle times" :)

Hi Pilou - but what is your current time to complete your method?

Maybe you can just time it with a stopwatch instead of making a screen capture, just to get an idea.

- Michael

I am making a little video with the complete concept
And after with training between each states I believe that 30 seconds is possible!
But it's more like a task than a comfortable exercise :)

Hi Pilou, yes, but what is your current time right now from start to finish?

- Michael

Something like you :)
but I have not all functions as a shortcut so take an icon is not speedy!
here the video ;)
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?0fwd4e2nz3m
unzip and launch toto.htm with your favorite navigator
(tell me if you can load it !

Hey Pilou,

You French must have some strong coffee over there, if you could model that fast I'd hire you on the spot ;)
Sketchup on steroids!!?

Cheers

Hi Pilou, I downloaded it but it seems that your capture is not a 1:1 "realtime" recording, I don't see any elapsed time shown and it seems to be recording only certain key frames, and skipping things like many mouse movements...

How much actual time does that take up?

My recording is an actual real-time recording, I mean every second that passes in the recording I showed above is an actual second of modeling time, not artificially faster like yours!!! ;) (That is cheating!!!!!!!)

- Michael

see the counter time clock watch on the right down corner of the screen 13 03, 13 04
I have not seen exactly when I started but that take less a minute and I don't make especially speedy moves only concept!
Sure it's not real time !
But I am not yet enough trained!

Hi Pilou,

> see the counter time on the right down corner of the screen 13 33, 13 34

Yeah, but that's very inaccurate - if you started at 13:03:00 and ended at 13:04:59 , that is possibly up to 1 minute 59 seconds.

Don't you have a watch? Just time yourself with a watch instead of doing the screen capture.

- Michael

I will try again with a Chronometre ;)