Hi Burr,

> This seemed backwards for me. I scaled 2d with just the handle
> and the shift key kept my circle a circle.?? <...>
>
> Is this right?


That's right, because a circle is already a 2D object with no height to it.

So a 3D scale in x,y,z or a 2D scale just in x,y produces the same result for a circle since all z values remain at 0 for either one of those.

If you do it to something that has z in it like a sphere, you should then see a difference - the sphere will stretch out in the x and y directions but stay fixed in the z direction. It's the same result as using Transform / Scale / Scale2D.

The reason why I don't do a 2D scale automatically is that it would then by default produce squashed-type objects (for ones with volume like boxes or spheres) as the main function.

I wanted to make the "main function" to be just a simple uniform size change instead of a squashing type thing.

- Michael

Hi Burr,

> Ok that answers that. and the "option" to set a softer
> tolerance for shakey hands is what I was looking for.
> No need for the mid point. Brilliance at work people!

Please let me know if you still have problems after adjusting that, but I think that should probably help out a lot.

- Michael

Ah I understand now. My mis interpretation of the language. (And still thinking 2d drafting stuff).

Thanks for the time and "Onward"!

Burr

> btw: when I was doing the 2d scaling, if I accidently went
> and scaled in both x and y instead of just x I would loose
> my original x. Is there something that would keep this
> from happening?

The 1-directional "squishing" will turn off if you get more than 4 times that tolerance screen distance away from either the x or y "squish lines".

That's so that there is a way you can kind of "shake off" the squishing entirely if it is getting in the way of doing a more subtle regular scaling where you want to make a very small adjustment.

I think it is something that won't be such a factor when you know in advance that you want to squish something and track along those squish lines. (rather than just experimenting with the tool I mean).

Please let me know if it continues to be a problem when you are using it for more sort of normal tasks.

- Michael

>Please let me know if you still have problems after adjusting that, but I think that should probably help out a lot.


That fixed it right up for me! (and as I get older I can jack up those numbers a bit more.)

There's a laugh. "level" sets of "predifined snap" settings so users can brag that "I use the expert set" and then we all know the old guy who needs the tolerence help is the one who is "REALLY" good! Ha.

Thanks again for the guidence!

Hi Burr, probably the other thing you were thinking of was what I'd call a "non-uniform" 2D scale.

That's where you would drag the corner and squish in both x and y by different amounts at the same time.

I don't right now have any provision for doing that kind of scale - to that now you would do a 1D scale twice instead.

I wasn't totally sure about doing this, because it is not unusual for that to be the default method of scaling in a 2D illustration application when you drag the corner.

But it seemed like a bad fit for MoI - with MoI's focus on accuracy in general I thought that scaling by a uniform amount should be more the kind of "primary" method.

- Michael

> That fixed it right up for me! (and as I get older I can jack
> up those numbers a bit more.)

Maybe I should ask for your birthday when you first start the program, then I can adjust these settings automatically as time goes on? ;)

I'm glad that setting helped though!

- Michael

>Maybe I should ask for your birthday when you first start the program, then I can adjust these settings automatically as time goes on? ;)>

Actually.....Smart settings could be determined by a "form" in the options. (I was rolling around my office with laughter!)

These new manipulation handles are cool. Not sure if you've done this already and i can't find it but maybe also include a snap point for flattening your selection or scaling your selection so it is planar. Like flattening a selection of points .
BTW how soon before we see the layer/organizing system?

Hi isaac,

> These new manipulation handles are cool. Not sure if you've
> done this already and i can't find it but maybe also include a
> snap point for flattening your selection or scaling your selection
> so it is planar. Like flattening a selection of points .

That's a great idea isaac, tomorrow I will take a look at doing that.

I don't think it will be very difficult to add a "flat" snap in there.


> BTW how soon before we see the layer/organizing system?

I didn't get quite everything that I had wanted into the first beta, so I think I'm going to work on some of that for a couple more weeks here, and then put out a second beta with another batch of stuff in it, then I think I'll be starting in on the organization system for the 3rd beta.

- Michael

Hi,


I've got some ideas for future versions:

- filter the selection by components: points, edges, faces, curves
- Lasso selection
- Raycast selection like XSI
- Eraser to interactively delete components
- Deform by curve, lattice, surface
- Proportional modeling like moving one point will affect surounding points determined by a radius
- Symmetric modeling like building/modifying a curve/solid in both axes at the same time
- Option for Expert mode :) - to hide the menus and tabs with Tab key
- maybe Zebra command one day ? :)

Thanks for reading and please forgive me if anyone have said already about any of these suggestions.

There are customized user interface's you can get in this forum. A guy named ash makes a good one for your "expert mode". Larger monitors and such.

Hi Michael,


I had some notes related to grips & snap on for those new stuff but you seem to have wiped it out completely above :)
So only two remains:

Could the grips be visible only inside of viewport the mouse is over like view control tabs at the bottom of viewport does?

There is no way to flip an object exactly when you scale using "scale from opposite corner", isn't it?


Petr

Hi Bogdan,

>>filter the selection by components: points, edges, faces, curves

You can do this by custom command. See http://kyticka.webzdarma.cz/3d/moi/#SelectByType

Maybe, it is worth mentioning you can select all edges or faces of object by selecting one edge or face in so called drill-in mode and after then you just click a "Sel all" button (Ctrl+A) or drag a selection window over object.


Petr

Hi Petr,

Thanks for the link. Much appreciated.

Nice start for V2 Michael...

>I didn't get quite everything that I had wanted into the first beta,
>so I think I'm going to work on some of that for a couple more weeks here,
>and then put out a second beta with another batch of stuff in it,
>then I think I'll be starting in on the organization system for the 3rd beta.

Take a rest first Michael, then put your brilliant idea into object organization :-)

>I had some notes related to grips & snap on for those new stuff but you seem to have wiped it out completely >above :)
>So only two remains:


Please look at your forum settings for what to view (a dropdown box at top of thread list). You can scroll to the bottom and "View all" also.

Burr

Hi Burr,

I didn't mean that Michael censores my post or those notes disappered; I just meant Michael had already explained why the new frame widget works in that way in the previous messages.

Petr

ps: English is not my native language :)

My bad. Dont hold it against me. Also I see your Petr, and recognize you as a senior user. I will try to pay attention more.

Burr

Don't worry Burr, it's okay! -Petr