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 From:  Michael Gibson
1742.1 
The first v2 beta is now available for download here:
http://moi3d.com/beta.htm (also linked to from the Download page).

You will need to enter your v1 license key to download the v2 beta.

The v2 beta installs into its own folder, it is not a problem to have v1 and any v2 beta installed on the same machine, in fact I recommend that so that you can fall back to v1 if you run into some temporary bad bug in v2.

This is just the start of the v2 betas, there will be many more to follow.

I'll gather up some notes on all the changes a bit later on, but the major new areas are an object edit frame that shows up around the outside of selected objects which allows you to do scaling or rotation very easily without starting up special commands, and also new snapping abilities to enable drawing directly on surfaces.

There are some descriptions and videos of these in action in these 2 previous discussion threads:

http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=1571.1
http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=1621.1



There are a lot of changes in some of the basic mechanisms of MoI to support these new functions, please let me know if you see anything that behaves in an unexpected way.

Looking forward to unleashing many more new features in upcoming betas as well ! :)

- Michael
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 From:  PaQ
1742.2 In reply to 1742.1 
First one :) thanks Michael !!
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 From:  WillBellJr
1742.3 
I see the firecrackers are going off EARLY this year!

Thanks Michael!

-Will
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 From:  Ed
1742.4 
Download & install went fast.

I like the re-size and rotate handles. This is going to save me a lot of time not going to the menu as I tweak my objects.

Ed
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 From:  Bogdan
1742.5 In reply to 1742.1 
Hi,

I just bought Moi and I really love it. I like the new gizmo feature; definitely it's a time saver. MoI is simply beautiful!

Thanks again
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 From:  Michael Gibson
1742.6 In reply to 1742.4 
Hi Ed,

> I like the re-size and rotate handles. This is going to save
> me a lot of time not going to the menu as I tweak my objects.

That is definitely the idea behind those...

Here are a few quick notes on those -

If you want to rotate by a specific angle, you can do that by entering an angle constraint before dragging that rotate grip. There are 2 ways you can enter an angle constraint, either by typing <angle (like <45) just by typing directly without clicking anywhere, or by clicking on the angle box in the bottom toolbar and entering your value there.

So for example if you want to rotate something by 30 degrees, type in <30 and push enter, then grab that rotation grip and it will move in 30 degree increments.


By default the corner scaling grips will scale from the center of an object. But you can switch this to scale from the opposite corner instead by doing a click on one of those corners instead of a drag. Each time you click a corner it will switch between these modes and you should see the origin marker switch.


If you click instead of drag on the rotation grip, it will switch to a different mode which makes it possible to grab the center rotation pivot and move it to whatever spot you would like. You can use this if you want to rotate a rectangle around one of its own corners for example. Also while in this mode, you'll see a tri-wheel rotation thing appear in the 3D view which allows you to grab any one of 3 rotation axes easily there for spinning things around in different directions.


Let's see what else.... If you hold down shift while dragging a scaling grip, it will perform a 2D scale only, so that will stretch something like a sphere out in only 2 directions and leave the vertical direction untouched to make an ellipsoid type shape.


And you've probably seen that to scale just in one direction (like a type of stretching operation) just move the mouse towards that direction after grabbing the corner grip.

- Michael
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 From:  Michael Gibson
1742.7 In reply to 1742.6 
Oh yeah, and you can also create a mirrored copy of an object by using those corner grips as well - to do that grab a corner and drag it all the way over to the opposite side of the object. There will be a snap point there and if you snap on to it, it will produce a mirrored copy of your object same as doing the Transform/Mirror command.

Also if you are scaling from the center, there are mirror snap points at the other 3 corners to enable an exact "in-place" type flipping or mirroring.

- Michael
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 From:  Phil (PHILBO)
1742.8 In reply to 1742.7 
<Dumb Question>How do you get the resize widget to show up?</Dumb Question>

Duh....I was in the 3D view. I found them in the other views.

Oh...and

THANKS MICHAEL!!!!! Just in time for some hard core MOI work that I was planning on doing this weekend anyway.

EDITED: 3 Jul 2008 by PHILBO

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 From:  Moe (THREEDFANATIC)
1742.9 
Sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks again Michael, can't wait to check it out.
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 From:  Michael Gibson
1742.10 In reply to 1742.8 
Hi Phil,

> Duh....I was in the 3D view. I found them in the other views.

Yeah, that's the biggest downside to the new grips, they show up in the 2D views (Top/Front/Right) for all objects, but they will only show up in the 3D view if you have planar objects selected.

They're essentially a 2D focused thing.

I could put them as a 2D plane going through the middle of objects in the 3D view, or possibly at the bottom of the object's bounding box, but that seemed like it would be kind of weird.

I had also thought about putting them both at the top and bottom of the object's bounding box to get kind of 8 grips as a cube, but it seems like they will start to be getting in the way of stuff and a big goal for those was to make them have a minimal footprint and stay out of your way so that they could be turned on all the time without causing interference.

I still may be able to experiment with some different things for this, like maybe placing it at the bottom of all objects would not be all that bad... But also it is possible that the 3D view will really need a totally different style of manipulator than the 2D frame style.

- Michael
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 From:  BurrMan
1742.11 In reply to 1742.10 
Thanks michael. This looks promising for me. kindof like the 2d illustrator or Corel apps. Nice!

Burr
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 From:  karter
1742.12 In reply to 1742.1 
Thank's Michael :-)

Rgds,
--Paul--

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 From:  hdri
1742.13 
Thank's you very much for you incredible job Michael

hdri
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 From:  sandykoufax (JEONGHO_KIM)
1742.14 
I can't download.

I'm using Kaspersky Internet security.

When I click download button, kaspersky denied access for the detect of "Trojan-GameThief.Win32.OnLineGames.arut"

What' wrong?

How can I donwload it?
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 From:  karter
1742.15 In reply to 1742.14 
Hi Sandy,

Im using KAV myself and the .exe file is as clean as a whistle.

Sounds like you have something else going on in your browser mate ?

Rgds,
--Paul--

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 From:  Johny
1742.16 
failed wit download :(

How about make resume-able download file?
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 From:  Michael Gibson
1742.17 In reply to 1742.16 
Hi Johny,

> How about make resume-able download file?

I will try setting this up just a bit later today.

- Michael
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 From:  Michael Gibson
1742.18 In reply to 1742.16 
> failed wit download :(
>
> How about make resume-able download file?

Hi Johny, I've updated the download method and it should now support resume-able downloads.

Can you please try again and see if this works better for you now?

- Michael
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 From:  Michael Gibson
1742.19 In reply to 1742.14 
Hi Jeongho,

> I can't download.
>
> I'm using Kaspersky Internet security.
>
> When I click download button, kaspersky denied access for the detect of
> "Trojan-GameThief.Win32.OnLineGames.arut"
>
> What' wrong?
>
> How can I donwload it?

It sounds like something is wrong with your Kaspersky installation... Do you have any way to force and update of its virus library? Maybe the library has become messed up and is confusing the virus checker.

Other than that, I guess you may need to temporarily disable it while you download MoI.

I did just update the download method to use a slightly different method which also allows for download pause and resume type stuff, maybe that will help with your problem as well, so you might want to try again now.

- Michael
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 From:  sandykoufax (JEONGHO_KIM)
1742.20 
Hi, michael.

I've downloaded after temporarily disabled kaspersky.

I don't know why my kaspersky denied link

but anyway now I've got it.

thanks. :)
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