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 From:  marcorhino
1267.1 
My final rendering Toyota Concept

Moi + Modo

Thanks

I do not see it now it to buy MOI !!!

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 From:  Mark Brown (MABROWN)
1267.2 In reply to 1267.1 
Very nice model and render.

What parts were done with MoI?

Mark
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 From:  marcorhino
1267.3 
hi,

All modeled with MOI

Thanks
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 From:  keith1961 (KEITH)
1267.4 In reply to 1267.3 
Hi marorhino
Any chance of tips or a tutorial on how to make a car? My pathetic attempt is here:

http://keith.jones61.googlepages.com/Noname.jpg/Noname-full;init:.jpg
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 From:  boatstalker
1267.5 In reply to 1267.4 
Hello Keith,

This thread might give you some hints:

http://moi3d.com/forum/messages.php?webtag=MOI_FRANCAIS&msg=103.1

But of course personally I would prefer that you modeled boats instead of cars ;-)

All the best,

Boatstalker
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
1267.6 
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Is beautiful that please without concept!
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 From:  keith1961 (KEITH)
1267.7 
Thanks for your help. I have now made the tiniest bit of a Ford Capri. Its not easy.
Keith
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 From:  Val (GAT)
1267.8 In reply to 1267.4 
you will need a blue print, or your own slketch, and just place the images in view then move lines to the lines. that is all as simple as that. if you want to search some tutorials for rhno3d on modeling a car it uses the exact same tools .
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 From:  marcorhino
1267.9 
Hi, all

Just possible, it think to do a tutorial modeler car.

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 From:  keith1961 (KEITH)
1267.10 
Thanks for the pointers to the tutorials. I have made the bonnet (hood) of a Ford Capri but its got mismatched panels (1) and holes (2) in it (see picture). Now this does add to the authenticity of a British made car of the 80's but its getting on my nurbs. I have been driven to the point where I have even started to read the MoI instruction page, which has been totally unnecessary up to now. What am I doing wrong?
Keith

EDITED: 3 Feb 2008 by KEITH

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 From:  Michael Gibson
1267.11 In reply to 1267.10 
Hi Keith, from the look of it, that is likely to be a display glitch - probably the display mesh that was generated didn't get enough triangles in that area to make it appear smooth.

See http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=1308.2 for some tips on how you can adjust some settings that may help (but can also cause an overall increase in mesh density which can slow down the display as well).

If you can post your .3dm model file (or send it to me at moi@moi3d.com), I can double check it to make sure that this is indeed the issue or if it is actually something wrong with the surfaces.

I will be trying to improve this in the future, but it is a tricky thing to improve it without slowing the display mesh generation down too much.

But if it looks fine when you actually export, then it is just best to ignore it.

- Michael
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 From:  keith1961 (KEITH)
1267.12 In reply to 1267.11 
I'm sure its me. People are making some wonderful and complex things in MoI and I'm sure they would notice if there was a real problem. That said, when I export as an obj file and render it in carrara the holes are still there and get bigger if I apply render smoothing. Anyway I have attached the file.
Keith

EDITED: 3 Feb 2008 by KEITH

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 From:  Michael Gibson
1267.13 In reply to 1267.12 
Hi Keith - before you export to .obj make sure to join surfaces together so that MoI knows which edges are shared.

To do this, select surfaces that are adjacent and use Edit / Join.

When the surfaces are completely separate objects, they can get meshed with slightly different vertex structures along those edges, which can result in little cracks and holes.

But when they are joined together, MoI will recognize that the edge is a shared one and will do extra work to make sure the mesh vertices along that edge are unified and crack-free.

Here's what your hood looks like when exporting with joined pieces:



Let me know if you still have any problems,

- Michael
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 From:  keith1961 (KEITH)
1267.14 In reply to 1267.13 
Thank you Michael.
Keith
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 From:  keith1961 (KEITH)
1267.15 
Hi Everyone
This car building is driving me crazy but I'm very determined and not going to give up until I have made and rendered at least one exact model. I have made various bits of car but making them all fit together is defeating me at the moment. I have looked that the tutorials and other people seem to be making elegant sweeps that form body panels whereas I am making little fiddly bits that don't quite have any point at which to join together. Part of the problem seems to be that the blue print doesn't have the necessary information to make profiles of hidden parts such as the profile of the lower body panels where they join the underchassis. Another part is that cars don't have seams (especially the rear body section) so there is no obvious point at which to make a join.

I am attaching my file in the hope that someone will be able to set me on the path to enlightenment.
Keith

EDITED: 3 Feb 2008 by KEITH

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 From:  Michael Gibson
1267.16 In reply to 1267.15 
Hi Keith, definitely modeling a car is not an easy task.

One general tip that I would give is that sometimes it can be helpful not to try and model around every hole or edge that you initially see on the shape - instead sometimes it is better to model a larger sheet that has a more simple structure, and then trim that larger sheet to get some of the holes and edge structures that you want. You don't do this for every single piece, but if you are having a problem in an area where it is hard to get a surface due to irregular boundary edges, then that's the kind of situation that you will want to try this kind of approach.

I was looking for car tutorials, this one may give you some ideas: http://lmd.ifrance.com/html/audittus.html

- Michael
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 From:  keith1961 (KEITH)
1267.17 
Hi
Despite the appearance of the attached I'm learning a lot. Hopefully the next attempt wont look so much like its been dumped. I now have great respect for Marcorhino and everyone else who makes such complicated shapes.
Keith

EDITED: 3 Feb 2008 by KEITH

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 From:  keith1961 (KEITH)
1267.18 
Hi
A disappointing result. I cant seem to get things to join up properly and sweeps and lofts get waves and kinks. It took all of Saturday. I have posted a couple of images if anyone wants to comment.

EDITED: 3 Feb 2008 by KEITH

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 From:  keith1961 (KEITH)
1267.19 In reply to 1267.11 
Hi Michael
I should be cleaning up. cooking and finishing of fitting doors but I'm looking at that bloody Audi again.

Just 4 of quick questions.

1. When I use the Edit/Join function am I trying to join surfaces, lines or points?

2. I have been trimming lines so that I am able to use the sweep and loft function, does doing so break up things that have been formerly joined?

3. In the tutorial you posted on building an Audi the car is devoid of surfaces throughout. Is it better to build things without surfaces for any reason other than because you can see the background picture? I like to see the surfaces as I make them but this might be because I lack confidence.

4. The Audi tutorial makes reference to making sweeps and blends that I have been unable to replicate. Does Rhino have some functions that Moi does not or does Moi implement the same functions in a different way?

If anybody other than Michael can answer these questions please do.
Keith
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 From:  keith1961 (KEITH)
1267.20 In reply to 1267.19 
Hi
Sorry Michael, I have started to answer a few of my own questions through experiment and reading the threads. I haven't been joining up the points have I? Its getting much smoother now.
Keith

EDITED: 3 Feb 2008 by KEITH

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