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 From:  ezzy (EZRAH)
1104.5 
Oh, I think I see what you mean, all the planes have to intersect at the poles, instead of run paralell to them, like I'm doing, correct, oh well. I guess I best get too it, since that means I have to redefine my planes now, mouse, here I come x.x;;;

I've tried the polygon approach, I suck at it. :/ I'm a pencil artist first and foremost, so I have trouble with the boxyness. x.x
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 From:  Michael Gibson
1104.6 In reply to 1104.5 
Hi Ezzy,

> instead of run paralell to them, like I'm doing, correct

Correct - although you can have some running across them but they have to cross all of them more like an equator line crosses all longitude lines on a globe.

Do you possibly have a kind of drawing or sketch for how you want this to turn out?

If you can identify any kind of panels or smaller chunks that make up the shape, it might be a good idea to focus in on one of those areas at a time.

- Michael
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 From:  ezzy (EZRAH)
1104.7 In reply to 1104.6 
Not really, its a generalized form I have in my head that I use for felinoids, I have prespectives I've drawn before for the primary three angles [dead on, top, and profile], but no sketch specifically for this. I do use the same shape head though each time.
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 From:  Michael Gibson
1104.8 In reply to 1104.7 
It seemed like it might be something like a Knight's armored helmet. If so, imagine a blacksmith building the helmet - he wouldn't try to make the whole thing out of just one piece, it's going to be some different pieces joined together. You'll probably get better results approaching it in a similar way.

Trying to do a single big piece with a lot of details all in one single surfacing command just does not tend to work very well, the details will kind of spread out along the surface

- Michael
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 From:  ezzy (EZRAH)
1104.9 In reply to 1104.8 
so, perhaps the bowl of the skull, the cheek scruffs, the face [brow ridges to the upper jaw], and the lower jaw, all as seperate peices.
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 From:  Michael Gibson
1104.10 In reply to 1104.9 
Yes, I'd say give that a try, it is easier to make progress on each of those pieces.

You will end up with a different problem later on where the pieces will probably not be totally smooth where they touch each other, but I think you'll be better off.

One thing that might work fairly well for you is a kind of hybrid MoI / polygon approach - if you can draw different pieces in MoI and surface them, then you could export that to a polygon mesh modeler and then work on connecting up all the polygons and smoothing them out there.

- Michael
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 From:  ezzy (EZRAH)
1104.11 In reply to 1104.10 
hrrm, I need to practice more... an eliptical sphere would work well for the bow, but I don't know how to make more of it look nice.. and I don't know the specifics about getting stuff made in this to work in SL x.x
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 From:  Michael Gibson
1104.12 In reply to 1104.11 
SL = Second Life ?
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 From:  ezzy (EZRAH)
1104.13 In reply to 1104.12 
yes indeed :3
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 From:  Michael Gibson
1104.14 In reply to 1104.13 
It is kind of difficult to get models into Second Life.

SL does not support reading in a general polygon mesh object, instead it handles only prims that you create directly within SL, or a new "sculpt map" object.

You can get a 3dm2sculpt converter from here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/3dm2sculpt - that will enable converting from a .3dm file that MoI saves into a .tga sculpt map texture file (also check out the discussion tab there for additional details).

But the problem is that you can't convert just any object over, only "untrimmed" surfaces will convert into a sculpt map. So that basically means you can't use trimming or booleans on your object when you construct it in MoI, just build pieces only using stuff like Loft, Sweep, or Network.

Also the resolution of the sculpt map is fairly limited, when you convert it you will just get the sort of broad shape of your surface, small details and folds will not likely make it through.

- Michael
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 From:  ezzy (EZRAH)
1104.15 
so I cann only import a finished, seamless solid, and it will reduce the resolution of the map?
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 From:  Michael Gibson
1104.16 In reply to 1104.15 
The map will be at a fixed resolution for each surface, like a grid of 64x64 sampled points.

So the broader your surface, the less individual detail it will have since those points will be spread out over a larger area.

But your object doesn't have to be a solid, it can be an open surface or just one sheet - but any trimming information on the surface (which is typically added during boolean operations for instance) will get ignored and just the underlying surface will get converted to the sculpt map.

- Michael
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