Can't get repeatable concentric pattern cut

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 From:  gunter511
10748.1 
Hi All,

I realise this is more a machining issue but I've been stuck for a long while without
a solution.

In Moi I made made several small discs with a pattern to be cut in brass with a Carbide 3D Nomad 3 cnc.
I made a jig but even if I cut just one piece on its own, the problem persists.



For the pattern, I run a toolpath using Carbide 3D's diamond drag tool called the Mcetcher.
Then, I run a simple contour toolpath with a 1mm end mill to cut out the disc. The brass
plate stays in exactly the same place in the jig and has no wiggle room at all.
To ensure this I use the super glue/painters tape solution.

The problem is either the pattern or the contour toolpath doesn’t
cut in exactly the correct place… it’s off centre, leaving a border on one side
and none on the other. Here are some test samples:



And here are some pics of the small inconsistencies of each circular cut:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Cx6EEb8GYHgE7HpRA

This happens whether I cut one disc on it's own (without the jig) or several at a time (with jig). It
also happens if I cut on acrylic or mdf.

I've been in touch with their support for the last month and half, but have not
had a solution yet.

I exported the .3dm file as a dxf and imported into Carbide Create which is Carbide 3D's software.

Would anyone have any input that could solve this problem?

Many thanks,
Gunter

EDITED: 18 Jul 2024 by GUNTER511

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 From:  BurrMan
10748.2 In reply to 10748.1 

Hi Gunter,
I would guess it is backlash on your controller/motors.

There is a diagnosis method to run then enter backlash compensation into the control software to help...

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 From:  bemfarmer
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 From:  bemfarmer
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 From:  gunter511
10748.5 In reply to 10748.2 
Thank you Burrman, they did ask me to do a test and that seems ok according to them
based on the picture of the cut I sent to them. Nothing much after that :(
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 From:  gunter511
10748.6 In reply to 10748.3 
Brian, thank you so much for digging in to this. They did actually send me another
spindle but it seems to have just got worse!

I'll send them the Carbide forum links you sent me.

Thank you so much!
Gunter
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 From:  bemfarmer
10748.7 In reply to 10748.6 
Pro version of Carbide Create has Engrave toolpath.

https://shop.carbide3d.com/products/mcetcher-diamond-cnc-drag-bit?variant=39271659634749
Quote from link:
"
Drag Bit Toolpaths

You have a couple of options to generate a toolpath for a drag engraver:

Use Carbide Create, or any other 2D CAM program, to generate contour toolpaths and pocket toolpaths with an RPM of zero (or leave your spindle turned off).
Use the Engrave toolpath in Carbide Create Pro to generate outline and fill toolpaths for drag engraving."

It is not really very relevant to MoI. ?

- Brian
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 From:  Matadem
10748.8 In reply to 10748.7 
Good day.
you might need to check how accurate your machine is and if it can produce repeatable results and go from there.

I do suggest that you perform these tests... this is an avid machine but the test can be applied to your machine as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5H7Fsrq95c
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 From:  gunter511
10748.9 In reply to 10748.8 
That's a really great calibration set up! You're using Mach 4 in your set up .. I'm on GBRL.. I have to figure out how to count steps!
Thank you for your youtube link!
Gunter
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