Looking good!

There's even some filled shape action going there.

Marc

Hi Marc, yup that's true the arrowheads are actually filled shapes. But since they're just triangles it's not very exciting in that regard... ;)

But yeah it's coming together pretty well, just need some text display in there to get them in an actual usable state I think.

- Michael

this is great news. i should be able to completely transition from rhino. i should have known you would be way ahead of the curve on this. the scaling of dimensions in rhino is the first annoyance with trying to use them. also there doesn't seem to be a smart cursor type function with them. so they don't know where they are wrt the others. so they all kind of get haphazardly placed. you also can't move them after you make them. so it's just a mess. i don't think they even work off the grid snap but i could be wrong. i don't recall. i only used it because it was all i had available.

Hi Anthony, I'm not sure if you'll be able to switch completely from Rhino - if you're doing detailed production drawings Rhino has 50 or so different options for controlling the dimensions appearance which you may still need to use.

However since the dimensions will be able to go back and forth you should be able to do more work with them in MoI and then still use them in Rhino for final drawing output.

- Michael

thanks michael,

i only have a few files with dimensions and they are all very simple. i only use a handful of commands in rhino overall. wrt dimensions, i think i only use 3 or 4. i don't mind re-making them too. but just being able to see them should work for me. i don't have anything on the horizon. but i do have a lot of rhino files i want to be able to open if i need to.

Hi Anthony, yeah I would think the new dimensions in MoI should work pretty well for simple cases like that.

You shouldn't need to remake them, ones that you have made previously in Rhino will show up now in MoI.

- Michael

Hi Michael ...
Like Anthony, I hope to eventually do most, if not all, of my work in MoI.
Line types and weights are important for final architectural drawings but I think if I set up a template in Rhino and carefully draft (in MoI) within layer constraints that line types will hold when swapping back and forth. In the past that has been true sometimes but seemingly not at other times. I'll try that again in a simpler form than I used previously. I got carried away and assigned way more layers than I actually needed.
But, in any case, all through the preliminary architectural design process having basic dimensions for work in progress will be a god-send.
thanks Michael,
eric

Hi eric, yes I guess we'll see how well it works pretty soon here!

The dimension styles should go back and forth to Rhino as well so yes if you set it up in Rhino first that is supposed to carry through after that.

- Michael

Hello Michael!

Thanks for this good news!

Are your working on "Ca`ge Deformations" as well for the V4 lifecycle?

Thanks.

..."Cage Deformations" I meant :)

Hi Marco, sorry no I don't think that cage deformation is going to make it in for v4.

- Michael

...pity :(

Moi is AMAZING but it lacks too many advanced feature imho.
I can imagine that developing that stuff is a very huge effort for you, I understand.

But Moi's tools "palette" is almost the same as 4 years ago...

I can understand that if I say or if I not say this things it doesn't make a difference for you, and I still consider Moi one of THE BEST lightweight 3D Nurbs modeler so far.

But I repeat.
In 2019 it lacks too many advanced features.

My two cents.

Hi Marco, yes that's true but the focus of MoI is not on "advanced features" like that - it's on making it easy and quick to do simple models.

re: the tools palette being almost the same as 4 years ago - that's a good sign! It means that MoI is retaining its ease of use and lack of bloat.

So all of what you are describing I actually take as a good sign that things are going quite well.

If MoI does not have enough advanced features for you compared to some other software that's ok - that just means that the design goals of that other software aligns with what you need or expect better than MoI does.

- Michael

@You "So all of what you are describing I actually take as a good sign that things are going quite well."

Hmmm...really I didn't understand the meaning of this reply.

Anyway...I gave you my two cents :)

Have a nice day.

Buy the software YOU want, don't try to change the software I want...

If you need more and more features to do what can be done without them, then these features aren't really needed, aren't they?

The reason I use Moi, is that 3DS Max etc. have too many options, most not needed if one thinks about the design of the model from the get-go.
BUT: These features sure clutter up the interface space, give long list of "scrollers" to wade through and yield a gazillion clicks just to get a simple thing done.

Not thanks, I love the way MoI lets me design seamless without having to change from move to select to change mods like in all the other modellers.

If you need more, than get a modeler that does exactly what you want, don't buy one that isn't what you wanted and then try to force the developer to add all the stuff you think you need.

I think the way the Michael has gone about designing the program, it's interface and usage is excellent, the best out there. If he keeps it working the way it does (including future enhancements) it will be unbeatable.

MoI is excellent, fast and easy to use, any enhancements need to fall into that bracket, or else the whole concept of MoI is destroyed.

Hi Marco, well the other thing I should mention is that the v4 release cycle has been pretty unusual since it has involved a low level rewrite to get to a 64-bit platform independent code base.

That is what has made some fundamental things like a native Mac build possible now, but it has also required an unusual amount of time fixing bugs and regressions.

So there actually has been less time spent on new features (other than very broad fundamental ones like being 64-bit and Mac native build) for this release than there might normally be and it's also why this release has taken a lot longer to wrap up.

Things should shift a bit for the next releases after this one, although it is also true that I purposely like to develop new features slowly so they can fit well in the existing UI rather than being just piled up on top of a big heap.

- Michael

Hi "Death".

@You: "...don't buy one that isn't what you wanted and then try to force the developer to add all the stuff you think you need..."

I don't understand what's your problem.
Please, don't tell me what I can or i cannot do here on the forum.

I'm free to ask what I want to ask to Michael, new features, bug fixes, different way to do the existing things, etc...
I own a commercial license of Moi so I'm totally free to talk to Michael here on the forum in any polite way.

I think that Moi is a great software, but I also think that it has a too "slow" growing.
I think that some new modelling tools is necessary.
So I'm asking to Michael.

Stop.

Marco (mkdm)

Hello Michael.

@You: "...Things should shift a bit for the next releases after this one..."

I'm confident that will be the case.

I only hope that it will happen as soon as possible :)

Thanks.

Hi Marco, maybe I misunderstood but I thought you wrote elsewhere that you're not doing any 3D modeling work currently? Or did that change?

- Michael

Yes, you're correct.
Actually I have stopped almost all my 3D activity.

But, is it important?

I always keep my eyes on Moi because I've used it A LOT, A LOT :) and I'm waiting for a long time some new modelling features.

Simple.
I hope that Moi will offer some new modelling tools to become even more powerful.

Nothing more that this.