Majik Tutorial: Detergent Bottle
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 From:  Mike K4ICY (MAJIKMIKE)
5530.21 In reply to 5530.20 
> wonderful composition Mike...

Composition and layout is me day job. :-)



...I do love the dream cars...
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 From:  Don (DON_CHEKE)
5530.22 
That is a great looking bottle.

I added a label and rendered in TurboCAD.


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 From:  Mike K4ICY (MAJIKMIKE)
5530.23 In reply to 5530.22 
Now that's what I'm talkin' about, Don!

Looks great - AND - cuts grease!


It hasn't ceased to amaze me how this bottle seems to take on a different (and delightfully) unexpected character with each user's choice of color palette and material appearance. A marketing secret, of course.
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 From:  mcramblet
5530.24 
This is first on my list of tutorials to try as I learn MoI. Thanks for posting these, it's a tremendous help for those of us how are in the process of learning MoI.
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 From:  Mike K4ICY (MAJIKMIKE)
5530.25 In reply to 5530.24 
>This is first on my list of tutorials to try as I learn MoI.

I wish you great success. Take an easy pace and don't be afraid to ask the oddest MoI questions.


>it's a tremendous help for those of us how are in the process of learning MoI.

It's why I do them! :-)

And I teach myself in the process as well.
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 From:  Bdaniel (BRAZZ)
5530.26 
very nice tutorial and well explained.

I got throught most of the basic tutorials on MoI and decided to try this bottle tutorial.

I got stuck on the part where I need to use the planar tool to make a surface on the lower ring. It just wont work, I select the lower ring and press planar and nothing happens.

I tried adding planar to a circle as a test and it worked, so I figure it's something with my curves, I've re-tried a couple of times with no luck.

any ideas?
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 From:  Michael Gibson
5530.27 In reply to 5530.26 
Hi Bdaniel, could you post the 3DM model file with your problem curve in it as an attachment? Being able to examine your actual curve would help give you a better answer.

But in order for Construct > Planar to work, the curve needs to be closed and also planar.

You can tell if it's closed by selecting it and then looking a the object type indicator in the properties panel, in the upper-right corner of the main window. If you have a closed curve the object type will read as "Closed crv", and if it's an open curve it will just say "Curve":





If you have more than one curve then you might want to use Edit > Join to join them together so that you can then see if they join into a closed curve or not.

If you have any opening between the start and end of the curve it will prevent planar from being able to work.

- Michael

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 From:  Bdaniel (BRAZZ)
5530.28 
thanks for the fast reply Michael.

I just tried redoing the conic curves again to build that lower ring and I still get the same behaviour and I checked and it says curve, I did walk around the points and noticed that even though all th curves have been joined, there's one point not welded. No idea on how to close the curve.

I'm sending my file attached.
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 From:  Bdaniel (BRAZZ)
5530.29 
I was just able to close crv, but the planar tool wont work.

Attaching this updated file.

UPDATE: Got it working, I zoomed in real close and noticed that my shape wasn't completely planar. Fixed it and it worked.
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 From:  Michael Gibson
5530.30 In reply to 5530.28 
Hi Bdaniel, thanks for posting the file.

So the problem is that in one area the 2 conic segment pieces are not touching end-to-end, instead they are overlapping each other, crossing over each other a little bit instead of touching end-to-end.

The problem is in this area here:




Here I've moved one segment a bit to the side so that you can see the kind of overlap that is happening there:




But also you've got some other problems with the bottom part not being all planar as well, it looks like some of the vertical curves do not have their ends touching all the way to the bottom plane, some are floating a bit higher above the plane than others, you'll want to tune that up by turning on their control points and then going to a side view and then using either the Transform > Align tool to line up their end points to a common bottom line, or use the edit frame with "flat snap" to make them all in a single line, as shown here:
http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=3378.4

You can see some of the non-planar-ness if you zoom into this region here in a side view:






So what I'd recommend is to delete the conic pieces and first focus in on getting the vertical curves to have a nice common flat endpoint - do that by selecting them and then using Edit > Show pts, then go to a side view and drag the corner of the edit frame down until you see that "flat" snap activate, that's when you'll know they're all in a line. And then it would not hurt to drag the bottom ones to be right on the z=0 plane as well. Then also make sure the top points are all in a flat line as well. Once you have gotten those curves to be all properly aligned then do the conic pieces.

Let me know if you need more help on how to fix the end points of those vertical curved pieces, you will not be able to put planar end caps on their ends unless they are all lined up on the same line basically.

- Michael

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 From:  Michael Gibson
5530.31 In reply to 5530.29 
Looks like you got it all figured out while I was writing my reply...

- Michael
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 From:  Bdaniel (BRAZZ)
5530.32 In reply to 5530.31 
indeed Michael, but still, your explanation is great and not only serves me but can help others with the same issue.

thanks.
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 From:  rbijl
5530.33 In reply to 5530.2 
Hi Mike,

Great tut for a beginner I only get stuck on the ribbed side , where i have to deal with the FLOW things. I cannot find the flow command in the command reference ??
Can you give me some more detail about the FLOW command end its usage ..

Many thanks ... love MoI

Rik Bijl
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
5530.34 In reply to 5530.33 
The command Flow is only on the Beta V3 for PC or normal V 2.5 for Mac or Beta V3 for MAC

Here 3 little videos video about It (sorry in French but very visual :)
http://moiscript.weebly.com/enrobage-dobjet-v3.html
http://moiscript.weebly.com/enrobage-dun-tore-v3.html
http://moiscript.weebly.com/bonus.html
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 From:  Michael Gibson
5530.35 In reply to 5530.33 
Hi Rik, Flow is new for v3 and hasn't been added to the documentation yet, I'm only going to focus on updating the documentation when all the features for v3 are complete, otherwise it's too easy to have to throw it out and start over again if there are any changes that happen during the beta.

There are some links collected for Flow examples and explanations here:
http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=4856.2

And a few other ones:

http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=5130.5
http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=5097.2
http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=3628.246

- Michael
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 From:  Cube
5530.36 In reply to 5530.35 
Wow! great tutorial.
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 From:  rbijl
5530.37 In reply to 5530.35 
Thx 4 super quick response , really appreciate it !
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 From:  bigseb
5530.38 
Awesome tutorial!!
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 From:  Mike K4ICY (MAJIKMIKE)
5530.39 In reply to 5530.38 
Thank you guys! :-)
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 From:  Rich (LOOPCORP)
5530.40 In reply to 5530.39 
Yes, your tutorials are always great Mike. Thanks.

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