I was interested in lisa but they said it wouldn't do what I needed. I have asked the developers of s&s about doing a Moi version and they said no get rhino. you can see the forum posts there. I asked about doing a stand alone version too and they were not interested. there seems to be only one programmer there, also named michael. some of the stuff the other guy vadim says is just ridiculous. so I am not that interested in them too much anymore.

also check out z88 its free and open source. a new version is coming out soon. it may do what you want.

Thanks for the word on Z88. Something to look forward to. I did get a response from them and this is what they wrote back:
Michael,

This option is under consideration. You can help us decide by
telling us why it would make a difference to you ... or others ...

Thank you.

Vadim


Maybe we need to build a decent case for it.


Best!

Michael

moi has a much lower cost than rhino and is easier to use. moi also enables me to model some things that rhino can't. I can model stuff very quickly in moi, compared to rhino, due to moi's ease of use. moi makes modeling fun.

I agree on all points!!