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 From:  TOM (SIRTOM)
4446.1752 
@ Pilou : Thank you for your great tips. very appreciated !!
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@ Pior : It is incredibly fascinating what the latest AI is capable of doing
but of course copyright must be respected and this is surely a very
hot topic - steal or no steal ?!
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
4446.1753 
Like Chees, Go Game, etc... Ai are now more strong than humans!
I have believed that I don't see during my life a computer win a Go Game play against a Pro Player : in 2 years that was finished!
4 -1 for Alpha Go... some time after the new Alpha Go (who learn alone) 100 - 0 again previous Alpha Go!!! Human has no chance except he changes all that he has learned over the millennia ! :)

That will be the same for graphic, 2D, 3D, Design, Expert System etc...
Explore this site... https://www.altair.com

EDITED: 29 Dec 2022 by PILOU

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 From:  pior (PIOR_O)
4446.1754 In reply to 4446.1752 
Well, as far as I am concerned there is no debate, and all I can do is bring up awareness to the issue and link to the crowdfunding efforts in the hope that people donate. And hopefully, besides legislation one can hope that the cultural backlash against this stuff will be strong enough. I am not interested in arguing "for or against" here.

Whether or not someone decides to trample over an artists legacy just because it amuses them and fulfills their need for instant gratification using an unethically developed tool is up to them.

@FP : These AI images generators are not just cleverly designed algorithms. They only exist and function as well as they do because they are using scraped artwork as an input in a way than none of the artists ever agreed to. You are free to do as you please of course since you are the one making your own moral choices. All I can say is please look into the issue further. IMHO every single one of these images is an insult to the artists who got unknowingly fed into the dataset.

EDITED: 29 Dec 2022 by PIOR_O

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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
4446.1755 In reply to 4446.1754 
@Prior
it's the beginning...
Yes it's not fair to use the artist's work without permission or without some retribution when something is sold.
But how solve this ? Here artists are dead from centuries...
Seems it's not an insult but more an homage!
Of course that is for publicity but this is an another story! :)
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Pilou
Is beautiful that please without concept!
My Moi French Site My Gallery My MagicaVoxel Gallery
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 From:  pior (PIOR_O)
4446.1756 In reply to 4446.1755 
As said, up to you to consider it an "hommage". As far as I am aware I have not been dead for centuries, yet my work (and the work of millions of others of course) is part of the DB of scraped artwork. SamDoesArt is very much alive as well, yet this is happening :
https://youtu.be/5Viy3Cu3DLk?t=513

Also, the future is not set in stone - there has already been precedents where companies using unethically gathered data for ML have been obligated to destroy their model. So there's hope on that front.

So again, I won't be arguing here because firstly this is not the place to do so, and secondly I believe that you probably aren't aware of what's actually going on, and there is likely some stuff being lost in translation too. So please look into it. A good place to start would be to look at the GoFundMe pages linked earlier.

EDITED: 29 Dec 2022 by PIOR_O

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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
4446.1757 In reply to 4446.1756 
Prompt "mickey Disney" (we can't write anymore prompt in free version :(
images not for sale only for pleasure of the eyes!
The problem is for the company if they don't retribute Disney not for for me! ;)

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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
4446.1758 
In 3D...
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 From:  pior (PIOR_O)
4446.1759 In reply to 4446.1757 
HI there,
You're obviously not understanding (or pretending not to understand) my earlier posts about the source of the current 2D ML models, so I'll leave it at that.
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
4446.1760 
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Pilou
Is beautiful that please without concept!
My Moi French Site My Gallery My MagicaVoxel Gallery
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 From:  TOM (SIRTOM)
4446.1761 In reply to 4446.1755 
@Pilou :-) Really impressive how well the new addition fit to the original !
"laitiere" image !
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
4446.1762 In reply to 4446.1761 
Yes this "Outpainting" function is incredible!



And this other thing absolutely terrific in 2D painting!!!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1604186054923210752
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
4446.1763 
A free one for increase image https://github.com/upscayl/upscayl
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Is beautiful that please without concept!
My Moi French Site My Gallery My MagicaVoxel Gallery
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 From:  TOM (SIRTOM)
4446.1764 
Almost scary what theAI is capable of but its is like with any invention -
the advantage and disadvantage depends on the ethics of the users ...
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
4446.1765 In reply to 4446.1764 
Maybe more the ethic of companies! ;)

Prompt "ethic" - style Surreal
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 From:  TOM (SIRTOM)
4446.1766 In reply to 4446.1765 
Very cool Pilou !
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I did some research and found out that what I am looking for is
called "Algorithmic Paredolia" performed by digital neural net-
works. The first algorithm of this kind was created by Google and
is called "Deepdream"
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I wonder if it is the same / modified or a new algorithm used
for the "remix" function of Midjourney which generates pretty
amazing results.
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Now I am searching for such an offline open-source tool to
merge imagery and expect to find some sophisticated stuff
which is capable to "learn" what I expect it to do by iterative
processes.
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
4446.1767 In reply to 4446.1766 
Ah yes the Pareidolia effect! :)
It was the beginning of the Ai period!
https://surrealismtoday.com/beginners-guide-artificial-intelligence-art/ (bottom page)

But alas Deep Dream is not more free!
https://deepdreamgenerator.com/subscription/plans

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 From:  TOM (SIRTOM)
4446.1768 In reply to 4446.1767 
I imagine a "Pareidola" software with a node based system where I can link
a pool of images, patterns and textures together and to be able to teach the
neural ntework based system in which way I wont those nodes applied to
my base image. And to be able to create quick iterations by changing the
respective parameters.
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
4446.1769 In reply to 4446.1768 
Not sure that teach a neural network is an easy thing!

For a still image you can create a big prompt very elaborated who will render that you want! ;)

choose your image(s) !
https://lexica.art/?q=pareidolia

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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
4446.1770 
same with "a hoard of strange creatures from hell fighting over a very large pizza in front of a volcano spewing lava and black smoke streams of glowing hot lava Joe Fenton"
https://www.joefentonart.com



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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
4446.1771 
Happy new Year!

EDITED: 31 Dec 2022 by PILOU

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