Hello Michael, sorry my image are only to show to David the european projections!

I now that into 3d pakages have only 4 views! hehehehe

This is what i means! :)

Hi MrBraun, do you have some 3D programs that use that kind of a view layout?

If so, if you could post some screenshots of them, that would be useful.

For example, is there a way to get that layout with Cinema4D?

- Michael

C4D Has a default layout like that

Hi Grendel, do you know if that layout in Cinema4D is supposed to specifically be a "European style" layout? (according to European style drafting standards or something like that)

It does not look similar to what David and Lorenzo were talking about, that one there looks more like MoI's arrangement but with the 2 vertical columns transposed.

- Michael

Each viewport is can be customized for it's display so it can be european as shown or any combination

Hi Grendel, that's cool that you can individually customize it...

But what I'm particularly interested in is if there is a common kind of preset layout that is more universally used for a "European drafting standard" style arrangement.

I could also do something for individual customization as well, but in addition to that it is nice to have some kind of preset list of arrangements that match what is commonly used.

So for example if there are a whole bunch of 3D apps that have a "European style" arrangement that you can easily pick as a packaged preset (not by just individual customization like you have described in your last message) and they all agree on what that means, it would be great for me to know about that so I could have the same kind of preset as well.

- Michael

I guess we're talking about 1st angle projection (European) vs 3rd angle projection (American), in Australia we use 3rd angle projection the thing I find strange about this is it depends on what you use as the base view, sometimes it will be the top of the part in the top left of the page and sometimes the right side or left side of the part in the top left of the page, it's all about what details you want to show and as long as your projections from the base view are to the standards then this is fine.

I'm talking about drafting here a static piece of paper space or viewport that has a number of views of a particular part, once you lay your first base view you follow the view standards of your region, if the base view is changed or rotated then the other views must change according to the standard.

In MoI the views are not static so if you want to follow a projection standard for 3d modeling viewports then say you change the right view to the left view then the other two views would have to change to follow the projection standards, I have never had an issue with view standards in a 3d program I believe it is more of a 2d drafting thing, because of the dynamic switching of each viewport the standards will not stick.

My two cents on this matter.

Cheers

Hi Danny, yeah 3D modeling viewports may not necessarily be expected to adhere to a 2D drafting standard. But it's one of those things where doesn't hurt for it to be similar if possible.

Mainly I'm interested to see some examples of other 4-view tiled arrangements in other 3D modeling software.

If there is a certain kind of convention for how many 3D programs arrange their modeling viewports in Europe (possibly influenced by different drafting standards, or changes in wind patterns, or better quality chocolate available or whatever the case may be), then it would be nice to have that available as a configuration option in MoI for people who are accustomed to it.

But I would prefer to see several examples posted of different programs that use that "European style" layout, so that I could know that I would be following some kind of convention that a fair number of people would be accustomed to using in other software already rather than doing something arbitrary.

- Michael

Hi Michael,

Don't think you will find a convention, out of the 5 modeling apps I have only MoI and modo have the same layout by default.

You can change each viewport to any other view in every one of these apps except MoI. Modo is currently the most flexible allowing any number of viewports to be added to the screen as well as defining what each one is. With all that flexibility it doesn't really matter what the default is as you can customize the layout to suit yourself.

Default 4 port layouts:

Rhino V5 beta (2D)

As far as I know with 3D CAD Software, like SWX, Inventor, SolidEdge, Alibre...., it is only important in the 2D area - Projection: First Angle or Third Angle

Rhino V5 Beta (3D)

Hello, and happy new year to all:

In Wings3D you can choose in Preferences-->Camera--->Camera mode between Mirai, 3dsmax, Maya, Nendo, Wings3d.....

Maybe you could offer any initial layouts like 3dsmas style, Maya style, etc....and another free mode allowing to put the viewports in any place.

But I have searching in Google, and I have seen some layouts of the more popular software, but I´m not sure if those are the initial layouts or those images are customized from his users. Anyway, -ash- and Ralf-S have given information about any software. Thanks!

For me would be enough if the XY Plane was in the lower area of the screen :-)

Hi,

I think the current viewport setup is quite intuitive.

When a left view is necessary for a specific object, sometimes I wish that the other views would flip side accordingly.


Default arrangement:

T P
F R

An example of arrangement with a left view:

P T
L F

Would be easier on my brain in this situation.


Marc

Hi Marc, that's an interesting idea...

I have never seen any 3D program do something like that though.... Do you know of any examples?

- Michael

And the knee bone is attached to the thigh bone and we wiggle it all around!

NOW!--- If Brians UI was fully implemented with the necessary manouverabilty of all the bits

---he sez!

Brian

For myself, just allowing a viewport to be set to any of the views would be useful. So you can even have 2 views from the same side at different zoom levels.

Hi Michael,

No I haven't seen this implemented in a 3d application.

Marc

Hello Michael,
this is my first post here. I've bought MOI months ago and I like it very much (and this forum too)!!
I post two images from Turbocad 15 Pro with the european window layout (I upgraded to Turbocad 15 2 years ago but I haven't really used it in 3D).


Happy new year to all MOI users and to Michael first.

Bye,
Giovanni

Hi Tony,

> So you can even have 2 views from the same side
> at different zoom levels.

Having the same view twice is unfortunately going to be more difficult than just being able to arrange them.

The UI is constructed in such a way that it expects for there to be one of each viewport, like there is one tab button on the bottom toolbar for each one to control maximizing it.

- Michael

Hi Giovanni, welcome to the MoI forum and thanks for your Turbocad viewport information!

- Michael