Hi olio, they're from an icon pack that has often been frequently praised by others, done by a professional graphic designer who specializes in icon design.

So it is kind of funny that you don't like those ones that were done by a professional but like the ones that I drew myself instead :)

If you know of a better ones that are available, then please by all means show them to me and I'll check them out!

But I think you're way off! :)

- Michael

:), yep your work are much more professional:), I like your icons, maybe its just the color of the others, bright red and blue-ish for undo/redo, it just sticks out so much. Maybe they could be neutral Moi color until you hover over them, then they might turn to its saturated shape.

well just a thought, but I was wrong if you did all the other icons you got some eye for graphics.)

Hi olio, well the red for delete is not particularly unusual, that one seems quite normal and familiar feeling.

The undo/redo is not quite as much of a slam dunk, but it is not very far away from other things either, here is a screenshot from Word 2003 for example:




MoI's current ones are similar enough to that to make that pretty reasonable.

For some of these things it is not too great to stray too far away from the typical things.

Again, if you have some better ideas it helps a lot to actually see the "improved" icons rather than just some text description of them...

Maybe a little bit less saturation on the undo/redo would be a good tune-up but it is a pretty tiny detail.

- Michael

Just my 2 cents from another designer.

The really important thing about icons is that they should be clear about what they do.

So, in my book, they should be simple and get the message across.

I think the MoI icons do that but don't jump out for personal attention.

eric

@Olio
And what the matter as you can easily replace them by your favorite ? :)

YOu could test how it scales if you want.

Hi Burr, this is what it would look like shrunken down:



Not too bad, but not really great either.

It tends to help to not have as many details as that, when shrunken little details tend to just make for muddy pixels.

- Michael

Thanks Michael,
Not that I think they should be replaced....Just participating :O

Pffft! I was over the icon thing years ago, an icon is an icon, is an icon, you press it and something happens, after you know what it does who gives a @#*% on how it looks, as long as the software does what it supposed to do and does it without crashing :)

Just having a whinge, I feel better now :D

Cheers

Well Danny, iF you want to approach from a psychology aspect, one could very easily design a UI that would make your head hurt! I'd be willing to bet a bit of time has been spent on this area with regards to MoI. Not just an afternoon of browsing available pics. I know a kid at stanford who's whole colledge effort was in "Human interface design". Could you beleive?

You should all be forced to work with TrueSpace.

HEY!--it's now a free 3d app!


Brian

I really can't see what's wrong with the icons, i think they're absolutely fine and not offensive in the least. Micahel seems to be taking a bit of a slagging but i think moi's UI is better than most to be fair. Just my thoughts though - each to their own.

Hi Burr,

> I know a kid at stanford who's whole colledge effort was in "Human interface design". Could you beleive?

Interface yes, a for icons used in the interface I don't know if it would make a difference, would it!?

Cheers

I think so. I think the term interface can also include interaction, so going to a higher level in design, "Human interaction Design", a COLOR can produce different results. Aesthetics play a huge part in wether you "feel" good about using an app. The subconscious is very powerful. The branch can become very convoluted.

Yes, I actually am a master student in an HCI (Human Computer Interaction) program here in Denmark, Interface is ofcourse hugely important as we as MOI users know! I think Michael has been spot on with his decisions of GUI so far.

Thanks Olio!

> here in Denmark

Aha, I guess highly saturated colors kind of grate against the sort of Scandinavian minimalist kind of design sense?

Quite a few other parts of MoI's overall design philosophy do fit in pretty well with that though.

At any rate, if my biggest design problem is that my undo/redo icons are "too blue", then I'm in pretty good shape overall, really... :)

- Michael

Hello,

Depending on color to tell the story is not a great idea, since it is not universal in nature. I do think the icons designed by the developer of Moi do have better contrast and for the most part portray the command effectively. Given that most of the computing population is used to certain icons portraying certain commands (ex. undo/redo) there is no need to reinvent the wheel. That being said it might be good to create the rest of the icons in question to mimic the overall style of the application, since the difference in style can be seen. Another thing to keep in mind is that there is absolutely nothing wrong with using text to describe a function if an icon will not be effective. Personally I think Moi is on the right track in this regard.

On an entirely different note I am holding off purchasing Moi until the official 2.0 release. Is there any way to preorder for the full 2.0 price, and is it expected to be released this month? Thanks.

Hi OSTexo,

> Is there any way to preorder for the full 2.0 price,

Sorry, no there isn't any way that I have set up to pre-order it.


> and is it expected to be released this month?

No, I don't think it is going to be all wrapped up by the end of this month. It is hard to say exactly when it will be ready but probably by the end of next month I will pretty much be cutting things off if they are not ready by then.

- Michael

No need to hold off OSTExo. Order V1, download and use V2 beta (much better than v1), then when V2 is ready, purchase with the difference price! (no extra cost or savings by waiting). Unless your waiting to save up the funds to buy it, then disregard my comments.

Hello,

Sounds good, just ordered a copy and downloaded it. I tried it out some months ago and have been occasionally watching the forum. I'll end up using it for translation of models to technical drawings for manuals, but I'm sure I'll use it for other things as well. Thanks for the info.