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 From:  Michael Gibson 10 Nov 2006  (12 of 31) 
215.12 In reply to 215.11 
> Or simply nothing, and the surprise of the user when he press "Right", "Left" appears :)

Yes, I think I'll try this. Hopefully it is a good surprise when it happens. :)

But I hope it shouldn't cause any problems, because there isn't really any reason to normally be clicking those areas a second time once it is already highlighted.

The main problem is that it isn't immediately obvious that it is possible to do it. But that's ok in some areas that are not completely essential to basic operation.

- Michael
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU) 10 Nov 2006  (13 of 31) 
215.13 In reply to 215.12 

< The main problem is that it isn't immediately obvious that it is possible to do it
:) No Problem :
For the View Top, Front, Right, seems suffisant and a normal reflex to clic a second time on the enlighting case and the word changes and view of course :)
What do you want better? ( Maybe just a text (not a triangle) "up" the case under the cursor when you move the mouse or Pen ?
Because the action like 'Grid' "Little black triangle" move to clic the triangle, move to clic the option Choiced, move Clic to closed, = 3 Clics + 3 moves !
No need for the views :above method just Text = 1 Clic and no move :)

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 From:  tyglik 11 Nov 2006  (14 of 31) 
215.14 In reply to 215.6 
>>So Petr, do you think that little menu was ok?

Since there is no need for me to change the reversed view frequently, it was.
But second click on the button to switch it, there is no problem at all. Furthermore, the Reset/ResetAll buttons use the same idea. You need to press it twice to see everything instead of only zooming to the selected objects. So it will be consistent and cryptic as well. Important is that you eliminated such options as RightView=rightMouseButtonClick, LeftView=leftMouseButtonClick.

However, I have doubt about triangle as Pilou has suggested. The small triangle in the corner of the button is a synonymous with "click and hold until the flyout toolbar appears". See AshlarVelum, Rhino and so forth. It might be more or less confusing.


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 From:  tyglik 11 Nov 2006  (15 of 31) 
215.15 In reply to 215.13 
Hi Pilou,

>>Because the action like 'Grid' "Little black triangle" move to clic the triangle, move to clic the option Choiced, move Clic to closed, = 3 Clics + 3 moves !
No need for the views :above method just Text = 1 Clic and no move :)


There is no need to keep this sequence, though.
Just try following..... (it also works for Help/About MoI, e.g.)

-Move the cursor to the small black triangle, click and hold down
-Move the cursor just over the option
-Release button (the menu dissappears)

This is one click and one move, hmmm......one move, ach... hehe

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 From:  Michael Gibson 11 Nov 2006  (16 of 31) 
215.16 In reply to 215.14 
> However, I have doubt about triangle as Pilou has suggested. The small
> triangle in the corner of the button is a synonymous with "click and hold
> until the flyout toolbar appears".

I think I'm just going to have it look the same as it does now and just switch on the second click. We'll see how that works.

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 From:  Michael Gibson 11 Nov 2006  (17 of 31) 
215.17 In reply to 215.15 
> -Move the cursor to the small black triangle, click and hold down

One other tip for these things - you don't have to actually move over the small black triangle, you can click down on the main button underneath it, hold down and drag upwards towards the little black triangle.

Any button that has a menu on it like this can be triggered by that type of drag, the menu will pop up as soon as you move off the top of the button onto the little arrow part.

- Michael
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 From:  tyglik 13 Nov 2006  (19 of 31) 
215.19 In reply to 215.6 
>>Aha, someone has been digging around in the UI! :)

MoI can be supplemented with the clock bar when covering up the taskbar. I admit that the source code is rather poor.... ehmm
Just copy "CommandBarClock.htm" into directory "..\MoI\ui\"
Update the file "MainWindowLayout.xml" in the same directory

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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU) 13 Nov 2006  (20 of 31) 
215.20 In reply to 215.19 
@tyglik : Sorry can you post a little image of the action result of these 2 new files?
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 From:  tyglik 13 Nov 2006  (21 of 31) 
215.21 In reply to 215.20 
surely, Pilou....... i am not planning to go your computer down............

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 From:  Michael Gibson 13 Nov 2006  (22 of 31) 
215.22 In reply to 215.21 
Hi Petr, you even figured out how to tie it to being full screen or not!

I thought it would be cool for people to be able to modify the UI in this way.

There are a lot more possibilities as well - it is possible to write pretty sophisticated commands and tools that operate the same as MoI's regular commands. You've probably already seen that each command has a .js and .htm file for it. The only problem is that I don't think that I'm going to be able to get this area really documented properly for the V1 release, this type of expandability will probably be more of a focus in later versions.

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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU) 13 Nov 2006  (23 of 31) 
215.23 In reply to 215.21 

@tyglik : Ah! OK I See now :)
I had never used MoI in full screen! :)
So now testing your plug in, seems work fine!
In theory the use of this plug can interfering with the normal program (decrease slowdown possible) or it's negligible?

The double arrows on the right bottom side (expand / reduce )is also your plug or not ?

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 From:  tyglik 14 Nov 2006  (24 of 31) 
215.24 In reply to 215.23 
Hi, Pilou

>>plug in,...
it's merely a little (poor) triviality. i am not software engineer...

>>In theory the use of this plug can interfering with the normal program (decrease slowdown possible) or it's negligible?
it seems not to be noticeable, it just reloads some functions/methods each 1000miliseconds, though

>>The double arrows on the right bottom side (expand / reduce )is also your plug or not ?
no!, you might read the introductory documentation more carefully......hehe... look here ..\MoI\MoI_Introduction.htm (point five - options/help))


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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU) 14 Nov 2006  (25 of 31) 
215.25 In reply to 215.24 

Point 5 : you entierely right! Completly forget to see it :X
Look this a famous french car and the model of the button :)
http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/SIX/SIX012/TRA-475.jpg

PS We can also press the little rectangles right upper corner side for Expand/ reduce screen :)
Maybe this can wins some place for Michael !
Double "same function" is maybe not necessary :D

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 From:  Michael Gibson 14 Nov 2006  (26 of 31) 
215.26 In reply to 215.24 
> it seems not to be noticeable, it just reloads some functions/methods
> each 1000miliseconds, though

It should be fine. But since there is no seconds readout, I think the only reason why you've got it checking once a second is so that it can appear or disappear fairly promptly when window is switched between fullscreen or not?

There is a different way to do this called "binding", which you can use to trigger something when a variable inside of MoI changes. By using binding to control the visibility of the clock, the clock update interval can then be changed to only once a minute (as in the attached version).

- Michael
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 From:  tyglik 15 Nov 2006  (27 of 31) 
215.27 In reply to 215.26 
>>I think the only reason why you've got it checking once a second is so that it can appear or disappear fairly promptly when window is switched between fullscreen or not?

You are absolutely right, Michael. Thank you for your improvement!
I just wanted to show how MoI is fully customizable, nothing else...

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 From:  Michael Gibson 15 Nov 2006  (28 of 31) 
215.28 In reply to 215.27 
> I just wanted to show how MoI is fully customizable, nothing else...

Well, this is actually a pretty cool customization. Someone has previously requested this exact thing.

If you can just implement a few more user requests, maybe I can take a vacation or something! ;)

Let me know if you have any questions about doing any other customizations.

- Michael
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 From:  Frenchy Pilou (PILOU) 15 Nov 2006  (29 of 31) 
215.29 In reply to 215.28 
Cool functions seems better and useful than an outrageous possibilities of customization :D
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 From:  tyglik 17 Nov 2006  (30 of 31) 
215.30 In reply to 215.28 
Hi Michael,

When we were discussing world/plane coordinates input recently, you mentioned that there isn't a "concept of active view" in MoI currently. However, I have been going through discussion forum and I have discovered 'getViewportUnderMouse()' method. Considering tablet users and their way of working without mouse, I guess this is somewhat like special-purpose method, not widely used one.

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 From:  Michael Gibson 17 Nov 2006  (31 of 31) 
215.31 In reply to 215.30 
> Considering tablet users and their way of working without mouse, I guess this
> is somewhat like special-purpose method, not widely used one.

Well, that method works with a tablet as well, since the tablet also functions as a mouse. I guess I should have called it getViewportUnderCursor() to be more exact.

That was added in to make it possible to make a keyboard shortcut that would maximize the viewport the cursor was over when pushing the space bar.

Internally there isn't really anything that is particularly controlled by the viewport under the mouse. A few things pay attention to it for some smaller details, like redrawing that viewport first.

- Michael
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