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 From:  Brian (BWTR) 22 Sep 2008  (10 of 36) 
1996.10 
Burr

That is really brilliant and deserves to be put into the Wiiki.
The last bit about putting the Text in place is way beyond "old codgers" mind concepts!
(I would need to study that early in the morning before I started on my daily sustenance of Coopers Stout!)

Correct me in that the only difference between using the keystroke Z is that the same would be accessed via something in the View with that?

At this stage, I think, if that is correct, to stick with the Z keystroke and add a sidepane dessellect if Michael comes up with an appropriate version for this beta.

Wow---what a great MoI team of friends.

Brian

ps posts crossed. The uninstall/reinstall was a piece of cake. Is there anything about MoI that is not simple?
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 From:  Michael Gibson 22 Sep 2008  (11 of 36) 
1996.11 In reply to 1996.10 
Hi Brian, Hi Burr - unfortunately it is kind of tough for me to keep on sending out customized UI for each new beta version....

I was glad to be able to give you a customized UI to make v1 work exactly in the particular way that you wanted, but I think for new beta versions you'll need to wait until the final release before I'll be able to re-customize it for you again.

Unfortunately, it just otherwise creates too much of an additional workload for me to deliver customized UI for each individual person for each beta release... I would actually prefer to release betas more often, so things that add additional work for every release kind of works against that goal.

If you really need the customizations, then probably your best option is to stick with your already customized v1 for now instead of using the v2 betas.

Once things simmer down and the beta releases are wrapped up, then I would be happy to help you customize the final nailed down v2 release since that will be stabilized and won't be changing all the time.

- Michael
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 From:  BurrMan 22 Sep 2008  (12 of 36) 
1996.12 In reply to 1996.10 
>>Correct me in that the only difference between using the keystroke Z is that the same would be accessed via something in the View with that?

>>At this stage, I think, if that is correct, to stick with the Z keystroke and add a sidepane dessellect if Michael comes up with an appropriate version for this beta.

Correct, the only thing the sidepane instructions are for is putting the button in the Gui. The Z produces the same thing.

I dont know about your "sidepane de-select" so we must defer to michael.

Remember, if you want to refer to the video, get set up on the pause button then you can step through it a bit easier. Sounds as though you got it!

Good night my friend!

[EDIT] Ok, I think I get it now. He gave you an option to "hide" the sidepane. Sounds like you may have to wait a bit. Do you have the old one? post it up and I'll see if it makes any sense to me.
[EDIT]

EDITED: 22 Sep 2008 by BURRMAN
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 From:  Michael Gibson 22 Sep 2008  (13 of 36) 
1996.13 In reply to 1996.12 
Hi Burr, side pane deselect is in this post:
http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=1552.10

It's actually not too much stuff - it's some additional script code that calls moi.geometryDatabase.deselectAll() when there is a click on the <body> tag of the side pane UI document.

If I remember right, it is this part added right before the end of the <head> of SidePane.htm:

code:
		<script>
			function OnBodyClick()
			{
				if ( window.event && window.event.srcElement )
				{
					var e = window.event.srcElement;
					
					if ( e.id == "ContextAreaContainer" || e.tagName == "BODY" )
						moi.geometryDatabase.deselectAll();
				}
			}
		</script>



Then change the <body> tag to say:
code:
	<body class="SidePaneBody" onclick="OnBodyClick();">



With that in place, then clicks on an empty area of the side pane will deselect objects.

I'm kind of hesitant to do that by default since building up a selection is a pretty important step for many commands, it could potentially be a problem to lose the selection if you clicked slightly away from a button by accident...

- Michael
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 From:  BurrMan 22 Sep 2008  (14 of 36) 
1996.14 In reply to 1996.13 
Thanks Michael,

For myself I just wanted to make sure you know that we know there are times to wait. Cant wait to buy the release!
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 From:  Michael Gibson 22 Sep 2008  (15 of 36) 
1996.15 In reply to 1996.14 
Thanks Burr! There will still probably be quite a few more beta releases before it is all finalized.

- Michael
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 From:  Brian (BWTR) 22 Sep 2008  (16 of 36) 
1996.16 In reply to 1996.15 
Thanks Michael and Burr.

Michael my little Brian UI for the bottom of the screen works ok in this Beta--the screen shot was of it.

I have found several times allready in the Beta that the side pane desellect was wanted as I was working.
It's a bit of a reverse situation in Lightwave where you can only deselect in a side pane---also a "pita!"
(surprised that it seems only me?)

Anyway, you know my thoughts, most impressed with the upgrade as I am working through the features.

Brian
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 From:  BurrMan 22 Sep 2008  (17 of 36) 
1996.17 In reply to 1996.15 
Brian,
Here is a sideplane.htm file for the new september beta release (note the sept in the title) That restores your de-select option.

I'll help you keep this set up through the betas if you want because you dont want to just copy this file over the new ones.

Just remind me when a new one comes out. Also, I should be able to make the file I send you a little bit easier to do. Should be just "Copy the contents of this folder into the MoI folder" type thing.

If you look at the custumshorts file I sent you, and you edit the commands to be what you want, then send it back, I could also just do the ini file at the same time. (I'll just keep a "Brians Shorts" file to do a copy and paste!).

At least I'm not jibbing up the yard arm!

Burr

[EDIT] The sidepane.htm file in the new release has changed just a bit from the original file that you had. This one I just posted is based off of the new release file. You may want to trade them out. It's key to remember you dont want to just copy the old gui files over the new ones as you loose the changes Michael has made! The custom stuff has to be "Added" to the code. If you are transferring other gui files from the previous release, for say the bottom, please let me know here.
[EDIT]

EDITED: 19 Jun 2012 by BURRMAN
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 From:  Brian (BWTR) 23 Sep 2008  (18 of 36) 
1996.18 In reply to 1996.17 
Burr

I feel embarrassed with all this great help!
I would love you to do that for me----BUT could it be more of an open for others thing --at the worst "Fred's workings style" or something?

1. The sidepane deselect works fine. I really love that working option!

2. I attach the zip of the UI for Brian I got earlier from Michael for V1.

I loaded it into this September Beta version and it works. I am not aware of any problems caused.????
(5 minutes working with the latest beta and I was crying out for it----it's my severe right handedness, coupled with an aversion to keystrokes, I think.)

Thanks for making this one of my very great days.

Brian

EDITED: 30 Dec 2008 by BWTR
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 From:  BurrMan 23 Sep 2008  (19 of 36) 
1996.19 In reply to 1996.18 
"I feel embarrassed with all this great help!
I would love you to do that for me----BUT could it be more of an open for others thing --at the worst "Fred's workings style" or something?

1. The sidepane deselect works fine. I really love that working option!

2. I attach the zip of the UI for Brian I got earlier from Michael for V1.

I loaded it into this September Beta version and it works. I am not aware of any problems caused.????"
>>
Good Morning, First of all, It feels good to help. No worries!

The only thing not "Generic" about the zip i made is the custom shortcuts. This is included just to hit all the commands in the zip, It would need to be edited for a specific person's preference (You like Z for launching the plugins.) I suppose these could be left "Blank" and need to be filled in, but then someone that doesnt know how to do this would not have a working custom. Did I understand the fred thing?

1. & 2.

That's great. I looked at the v1 ui you posted. It looks like the commandbar and commandbar right were "Swapped" and "Trimmed down".
There is nothing wrong with using these for now to keep your flow in a row until the man finishes his release and can set you up with a new slim ui. Please be aware that if someone else is talking about this area and yours doesnt match, this may be the reason. I couldnt update these to the new commandbar's as I dont have a way to know what was "trimmed" vs what is "new or omitted". ( All this means is your's will look and be just like you like it and I may be talking in a future post about a "checkbox" that you dont have.) I'll keep them here so when I send you the next beta update, they will be included.

That kind of speaks to your last sentence about being aware of any problems. The analogy I'll use here is more like, "you may have just shot off someone elses toe".... You wont know it but they will. I think the point is enjoy the new beta, I'm going to start to learn to work with cplane.

Talk to you later,
Burr

PS, and as a final note, it seems I left out the QuickSplit command from the zip I sent you, you'll notice it missing from the plugin Gallery. If you want to use it you can get it from petr's page. the files just need to be added to the commands folder. I included it now so next time it will just be there.

EDITED: 23 Sep 2008 by BURRMAN
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 From:  Brian (BWTR) 23 Sep 2008  (20 of 36) 
1996.20 In reply to 1996.19 
Thanks mate.

I went to bed glowing with pleasure and now you have given the same start to my new day!

I am slowly working though the new things in the MoI beta. Brilliant stuff.

Brian

EDITED: 30 Dec 2008 by BWTR
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 From:  DannyT (DANTAS) 23 Sep 2008  (21 of 36) 
1996.21 In reply to 1996.20 
Hey Brian, funny hat, is that your thinking cap ?
You know drinking and modeling could be dangerous, you could have a Boolean accident :)

Good on ya mate.

Cheers
~Danny~
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 From:  Brian (BWTR) 23 Sep 2008  (22 of 36) 
1996.22 In reply to 1996.21 
From Alice in Wonderland------the Mad Hatters Hat!

Brian
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 From:  Brian (BWTR) 23 Sep 2008  (23 of 36) 
1996.23 In reply to 1996.22 
"Burr's Brilliant Benefactions"

(If all else fails!)

Just some thoughts on the shortcuts, and adding to the principle of needing having a single source organisation! (I have printed cards of shortcuts of a whole lot of apps that came with 3D World magazine--MoI needs this "central point" universal logic!)

Shortcut P. Is this not obsolete with now having Alt+P--Pipe2?
Would it be better if it was for the "Sellect Closed Poly Surfaces" not on your list?

Others.
(there are lots I guess but these 2 were on my original list)
A shortcut for---AreaSelect
" ---Selects Solids (The one for checking booleans suitability)


You mentioned about the "Quick Split" command. Looking at it I have a feeling it is a bit "premature" --requiring maturing?

Hope I make sense.

Brian
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 From:  eric (ERICCLOUGH) 27 Sep 2008  (24 of 36) 
1996.24 In reply to 1996.20 
Hi there Brian,
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 From:  Brian (BWTR) 27 Sep 2008  (25 of 36) 
1996.25 In reply to 1996.24 
Hi Eric
Is that chain where you hold the world in place?

Or?
(We mature aged should be pampered as we truly deserve)

Brian
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 From:  eric (ERICCLOUGH) 27 Sep 2008  (26 of 36) 
1996.26 In reply to 1996.25 
Yes to both ... and, on the other end of the chain is my grandson swinging in the park ... that holds the worls in place.
cheers,
eric
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 From:  BurrMan 27 Sep 2008  (27 of 36) 
1996.27 In reply to 1996.26 
I have a warm feeling of christmas for some reason!
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 From:  Brian (BWTR) 27 Sep 2008  (28 of 36) 
1996.28 In reply to 1996.27 
Like the arthritis is so bad you can't any more anyway???

(The great blessing of maturity is that you don't have to shave!--JOY!)

Brian
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 From:  Brian (BWTR) 4 Oct 2008  (29 of 36) 
1996.29 In reply to 1996.20 
I NOW have the 24 inch Dellscreen installed.

JOY!

SPOILT!

Brian

EDITED: 30 Dec 2008 by BWTR
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