Good job Michael !

Ok, now the forum has been tuned up as well. I will be adding in some more content on some pages and a "what's new in v4" page but the overall web site redesign is complete!

- Michael

michael,

for me the wiki page is odd. on the left on desktop there are all sorts of links that don't seem to need to be there, unless you are an admin or something like that. for just someone viewing, you have to realize just to ignore them all. then on mobile, the wiki page is really odd. all sorts of square icons at the top.

other two sense. i don't know if there is a way to have the top banner consistent for all pages. for instance going from the home page to the forum, the top banner is quite different. not just the links but the image position as well.

lastly, for some reason the moi forum makes me constantly have to login. so i see the login page to the forum the most. not sure if there is a way to make it look more like the new site them. for instance the nice new dark blue banner color that you added.

anyways, i like the improvements overall.

oh, one more thing. but probably too hard to pull off. on the wiki there are all sorts of addons tuts etc. not sure if you could have them sorted by version. like v1, v2, etc addons. once i get v4 it seems like its going to be hard to know what addons will work with it. i know for sure i'll need the old xyz point import that you did. that's all i have planned to use atm. but i know others would find some kind of grouping by version useful. i know this would probably be a huge time killer though.

Really like the new page/paper/background color....

Hi Anthony, thanks for the feedback.

re:
> for me the wiki page is odd. on the left on desktop there are all sorts of links that don't seem to
> need to be there, unless you are an admin or something like that. for just someone viewing, you
> have to realize just to ignore them all. then on mobile, the wiki page is really odd. all sorts of
> square icons at the top.

Have you used Wikipedia (https://www.wikipedia.org/) ? The MoI wiki uses the same engine as that.


> other two sense. i don't know if there is a way to have the top banner consistent for all pages.

Well it is possible but it would require something like a couple of months of work (or more) to redesign
the forum and the wiki to use some other navigation UI.

Since I'm just one person doing all the work for MoI I have to do some careful cost/benefit analysis in
cases like this because if I work for a few months on the web site that is a few months of development
that could have been spent on improvements to the MoI software instead.

So what's better for MoI users - a totally uniform web site or new functionality in the MoI software?
I'm pretty sure that improvements to the software are a much greater benefit.

That's a big reason why the web site update didn't happen for a long time.

The new redesign gets the overall appearance and styling to be uniform across the site and forum/wiki
web apps. Some details like an image not being in the exact same place are so inconsequential to
actual function that it's not really worth messing with. It's again a cost/benefit analysis thing it's
not enough benefit to warrant worrying about.


> lastly, for some reason the moi forum makes me constantly have to login. so i see the login page to
> the forum the most. not sure if there is a way to make it look more like the new site them. for
> instance the nice new dark blue banner color that you added.

Do you maybe have a setting or extension of some kind turned on in your web browser to disallow
web sites from saving cookies? If so then that could be what is causing the need to login every time.

I'll take a look at updating the login page though, I missed reviewing that.


> oh, one more thing. but probably too hard to pull off. on the wiki there are all sorts of addons tuts
> etc. not sure if you could have them sorted by version. like v1, v2, etc addons. once i get v4 it seems
> like its going to be hard to know what addons will work with it.

Nearly all plug-ins are compatible with v4, only a small handful needed updates to new versions. So
this would provide pretty low value.

Thanks, - Michael

thanks michael,

all makes since. good to hear about the compatibility to v4. from reading the forum, it seemed like that wasn't the case.

moi is the only forum i have a problem with as far as constant logins. it will stay logged in until i close the browser. when i open the browser again i have to login again. on my phone it seems rather random. every now and then it want's me to re-login on the phone. that browser doesn't really close.

i do have a lot of various addons. i'll see if messing with any of them helps. on the desktop i'm using firefox and on the phone microsoft edge.

Michael, when I click the link, reply, the window to whom you reply is displayed in the old style.
When I make a preview of my post it also displays in the old style.
Am I ahead of the curve?

Hi WN,

re:
> Michael, when I click the link, reply, the window to whom you reply is displayed in the old style.
> When I make a preview of my post it also displays in the old style.
> Am I ahead of the curve?

Try F5 or Ctrl+F5 on those pages to get your web browse to reload maybe you're getting cached versions.

If that doesn't do anything can you please post a screenshot of what you are seeing?

Thanks, - Michael

Hi Burr,

> Really like the new page/paper/background color....

Thanks! I wanted to give it something there instead of just plain white but not too strongly colored.

- Michael

Michael probably this is how it should be, it's just that he stands out more in this place.
So I thought it was different.

Hi WN, yes that is the new one. It happens to be enclosed in one of these types of containers like in Options, that's why it looks like that:



It has been modified to have less saturated colors than before. I didn't find it otherwise objectionable enough to mess with any further.

- Michael

hi michael,

i tried disabling some of the addons but it didn't help. if i close the browser and re-open it. i have to login to the forum again. not a huge deal. just thought i'd mention it, given the topic.

Logon page in forum updated now.

- Michael

It looks great

Dear Michael,

I like the new adjustments you are making to the web site. Easier on the eyes.

If I had one nit to pick on the subject, it is this:

We "Log On," then we "Logout."

How about Log In/Log Out ; or Log On/Log Off ?

I know it's a just a crotchet, but chalk it up to my decades in printing and publishing...

Mark

Hi Mark - I've updated all "Logon" text to be "Login" instead to match with "Logout". That should be safe I think. Switching from one word to two words with added whitespace could have other side effects so I'm not going to do that right now because of all the testing that would be needed to ensure it didn't break things.

Thanks,
- Michael

Thanks, Michael.

One word or two, at least it's parallel: IN/OUT rather than ON/OUT or IN/OFF.

My inner "Monk" is assuaged.

Mark

Michael, here the background of the image is different from the background of the page.

Good catch WN, thanks!

- Michael

Should be fixed now.

- Michael