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Why not having to separate ini files for V3 and V4 on the Mac?

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Hi Ralf, probably the fix will be to have separate sections inside the ini file, entirely separate ini files shouldn't be necessary.

- Michael

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Hi Michael,

Nudge works fine, but in my humble opinion it's such an essential command that it'd be convenient not having to install it separately.

By the way, a very insignificant observation: if you enter numeric pad "." as a key in the shortcuts, MoI recognizes it as "Numpad," (comma, not period), at least on Mac OS. It does work as numpad period though, so it's just cosmetic.

Regards,

Metin

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Hi Metin, including Nudge by default could have some complications, I'd need to update it in the documentation and also someone following the directions they found for setting up Nudge might follow the instructions to copy it over and then wonder if they should overwrite it. I also don't quite like having too many hidden commands by default.

At some point I'd like to solve these problems in a more comprehensive way by having some kind of script browser that would let you specify which scripts you wanted to install from some central repository and keep them installed between versions so you wouldn't need to copy things around manually. But I'm not sure when that will happen. Maybe I can do it in a few stages though and have the "keep installed" part working before doing the full browser implementation.

re: numpad comma - that's not happening for me over here, it might be a bug in the Qt keyboard mapping which could be difficult to fix.

What happens if you actually type that numpad key in a text editor, do you get a comma or a period?

- Michael

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Hello Michael,

short status for linux platform/wine(OpenSuse Leap 42.1): Everything seems to work. Display performance while extruding or selection is slower than V3.

Have a nice day
Karsten

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Hi Karsten, thanks for testing it on Linux. What video driver and version of wine are you using?

Extruding is probably a timing problem related to the extruded result getting continuously canceled when you move the mouse, it's on my list to investigate.

Selection might be harder to do anything about if its just texture readback to the CPU that's slow.

Do you notice anything that looks like a sort of delayed reaction like the display is lagging one frame behind what is supposed to be shown?

- Michael

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Hi Michael,

Some sort of commands manager is a great idea. Maybe you can combine it with a manager for the hidden settings in MoI.ini, such as the triangulation methods (or you could add those settings to the preferences dialog).

I've tried the numpad period key in a text editor, and indeed, it generates a comma by default. I had never noticed that before, because I only use it for shortcuts. If it doesn't happen on your Mac system, then I suspect it's due to the Dutch language setting. Over here in the Netherlands we separate decimals by a comma in stead of a period.

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Hi Metin,

> I've tried the numpad period key in a text editor, and indeed, it generates a comma by default. I
> had never noticed that before, because I only use it for shortcuts. If it doesn't happen on your
> Mac system, then I suspect it's due to the Dutch language setting. Over here in the Netherlands
> we separate decimals by a comma in stead of a period.

Thanks for testing it! Yes, I think you're right that it has to do with having Dutch set as the operating system language setting.

So your numpad period key showing up as Numpad comma is something that's just built into the operating system keyboard handling, I don't think there is anything that I'd do to change that in MoI. There is probably some way to edit a key mapping table for the OS that could change it though.

- Michael

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Hello Michael,

I'm using wine 1.82 and a proprietary AMD Graphic driver (Radeon HD 6320). It's outdated hardware, but it's only a comparison between v3 and V4 Beta. Another problem I found, is the naming of an object - result is a crash MoI bug report (unhandled exception).

Have a nice day
Karsten

Attachments:
moi_report5.zip

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Hi Karsten, thanks for sending the crash report. The naming crash in Wine looks like a Wine bug. MoI does happen to throw an exception when it checks to see if the name dialog gave back a value of -1 meaning cancel, but that exception is caught and ignored. But on your Wine build it's not being ignored so either the SEH exception handling is not working properly or maybe there's a setting for reporting "first chance" exceptions that needs to be turned off so that exceptions that are caught by the app don't register as a crash.

I"ll modify this for the next build though so no exception will be thrown when modal dialogs are closed.

- Michael

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Hi Michael.
Another line in the error list.
Vladimir.

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Hi Vladimir, it looks like the bug is that in V4 the construction line finishes when you release the mouse outside a viewport unlike V3, is that correct?

- Michael

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Yes, when you release the button, the connection is lost.

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Hi
I can't reproduce it on mac

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Hi Finema.
This is in Windows 7.

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OK Vladimir

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Hi Vladimir, I'm pretty sure I know what's going on there, it has to do with having everything under the Qt system now. Qt does an automatic "mouse grab" when the mouse button is still down. It should not be difficult to fix for the next beta, thanks for reporting it!

- Michael

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Hi Michael,

Working great so far. One thing seems to be that alt + middle mouse button doesn't pan the view for me. It rotates the viewport like alt + left mouse button.

I do use a wacom tablet so not sure if this is anything to do with it. However it works fine in v3, just not in this latest v4 beta.

Thanks

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Hi Rich, thanks for testing it!

> Working great so far. One thing seems to be that alt + middle mouse button doesn't pan the
> view for me. It rotates the viewport like alt + left mouse button.

Does just plain middle mouse button with no Alt at all do panning for you though?

I've had a couple others report this difference in view manipulation Alt key handling, and I have it on my list to investigate. I can't remember if it was a change requested by someone for compatibility with some other program like ZBrush or if it's just a bug. If it was a requested change I can make a setting to control it. I should know more when I've gotten closer to wiping off my remaining bug list.

I think the change from V3 though may be that it didn't make any difference if you held down Alt or not when using the middle button, while in v4 it's trying to do something different between plain MMB and Alt+MMB.

.... Ok, I just checked and yes in v3 Alt was just ignored for MMB it didn't matter if you held down alt or not so I was thinking Alt+MMB was unused. Then someone requested Alt+MMB to do rotate for compat with 3DS Max so I set that up for v4. I'll revert that change but make it an option in moi.ini .

- Michael

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Hi,
not sure if this as already been mentioned but I cannot copy and paste into Moi V4 shortcut keys.
From either inside the options shortcut keys or from outside of Moi.
Barry

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