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I think this new technology will help for example Concept Artists, when exploring new design forms, whether for household goods or automotive things etc. They can imho quickly "sketch" a rough concept out in MODO, use the new MeshFusion technology to add things which might be difficult otherwise, or more time consuming and then if needed use the subd to nurbs plugn-in in MODO to bring their concept work in a CAD package for further processing, if needed. So i believe this new worklfow brings up a lot of possibilities, since we all know that subd or CAD packages have each their pros and cons. And here you would have a united workflow with MODO's add-on's and an inexpensive software like MoI for example.

BTW: Andrei, the ViaCAD Pro 9 vers (Beta). has added now also subd-modeling...

Best regards
Stefan

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STEFAN,
As I said I have nothing against this soft, use it If you like it )! It's very individual stuff..

I tired VIA cad and have to say I worked in it 2 days and left it...

Now I use MOI 3D and 3D Coat, for modeling, UVs, Retopo, Sculpting, Painting. And I can say I can model practically everything! Very simple and powerful soft. I made this decision by testing a lot of soft.
And stuff that appears to me very complex in other software in this applications it is like child's Play.

Modo is a bit complicated for me and as I can think not only for me, but users of this soft reminds me users of Aple, some kind of cult :) Just a joke!

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Good guys!

Universal Death)))!

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Alas Groboto/Modo is for the moment stopped!

http://www.groboto.com/forums/showthread.php?940-GroBoto-Lives-On

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I don't understand. He lays out a timetable right there in that post that says:

"The GroBoto-derived modo plugin will be released later this year."

How does that translate to it being stopped?

Plus, Darrel is in the Luxology forums every couple of days showing off teaser images and videos...

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Hi Pilou,

Indeed groboto dev seems to be slow down, but there is a modo plugin coming.

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<< How does that translate to it being stopped?
Adjourned if you prefer - so re-launch as soon as possible!

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Hi Andrei:
I think all benefits and pleasure you have using Moi not derive totally from Nurbs environment
You can find same Nurbs tools in lot of applications..so is not only a challenge Nurbs Vs. Sub-D
It's MOI that bring all benefits and speed-up your workflow
Watching your video which are things that allow to build that model so easy and quick ? Snap and selection
Those two things are best of the 3Dworld !!!!Which other software gives you same easy to use to select,move,jump between wiews or EASILY catch a snap point ?
NO-ONE !
These features are the base of workflow...tools or technique come last

 


I'm testing Autodesk Fusion 360 with T-Splines
While i'm workin on, i need a snap:where is the palette?
Nothing...i do a search on their site:this is what is turned out :) :) :)

 http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Request-a-Feature-Fusion-360/Object-snap-is-really-needed/idi-p/3818119

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M-dynamics, totally agree with you)

I do not wanted to start this thread to contrast Sub-D vs Nurbs, just wanted to show what can kill Sub-D modeler :)) and make it in funny way!
But it looks like there is some foggy soft that is not released yet, that can reproduce boolean part of MOI :)

About Autodesk, Is it you started those thread about snap? Why? Let user of Fusion to suffer a bit :))) Do not have snap looks like do not have air...... I see a lot of soft of autodesk is not perfect, but has well known brand.. Personally there is no any soft of Autodesk that I like...

Just wanted to ask if GroBoto has some kind of snap functionality?

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"But it looks like there is some foggy soft that is not released yet, that can reproduce boolean part of MOI :)"

You think that video is merely reproducing what MoI booleans do? I give up.

It must be a language barrier problem and I can accept that. This thread has no right to be as annoying as it is! :)

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:)))
Booleans is booleans no matter is it nurbs or sub-d or MOI or Max or Rhino or GroBoto... or I'm wrong?
I can see only one difference in Groboto they automatically updates and you can keep parts.
All that stuff can be reproduced in moi not so graphically but it is not a big deal)
This is it :) What so confused you?

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Dynamic booleans are a BIG DEAL. A really big deal. HUGE in fact. Just ... trust me, I guess! Every artist I work with or know who sees that is blown away and can't WAIT to try it out.

"All that stuff can be reproduced in moi not so graphically but it is not a big deal"

And I can reproduce your example at the start of this thread in a subd modeler - that doesn't mean that what you're showing in your video isn't better. It is! And that's the same as these dynamic booleans compared to static booleans. These are WAY better.

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About Groboto
If i well remember it's snap like "middle" or "extremities" !
UI is not very "friendly" ;)

Groboto is also more for "automatic bots" figure result!

In this video all repetitive geometries is Groboto!

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>Dynamic booleans are a BIG DEAL.

Can not see any big deal in it, really)) Just for concepting, may be some new ways to find new shapes.

>And I can reproduce your example at the start of this thread in a subd modeler - that doesn't mean that what you're showing in your video isn't better. It is! And that's the same as these dynamic booleans compared to static booleans. These are WAY better.

Do no not agree with you, I can not imagine that you will model this figure I showed in first post in Sub-D in 2 minutes...
But any figure that you show me that was made in Groboto I reproduce in "seconds" in MOI.. may be except those abstract stuff that Pilou showed.

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"Can not see any big deal in it, really)) Just for concepting, may be some new ways to find new shapes."

OK ... awesome. Well, I'll be on my way then.

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@Andrei:About Autodesk, Is it you started those thread about snap? Why? Let user of Fusion to suffer a bit :)))

I didn't start that thread,but a user that also use MOI..take a look at the image he attached: Moi Snap Palette as reference for Autodesk !!!! :) :)
...more:they said can import 3dm files...i tried surfaces,solids but fail all times,so i exported from Moi in Sat,and it works
...more:you can't convert the whole surface in T-Spline surface then edit....must delete a single face, make a patch and convert that patch in T-Spline surface.... :)


I think dynamics booleans are great stuff considering how is difficult make it in Sub-D
if i remember correctly,Groboto was also a C4D plug-in,that gave a ultra-clean mesh after booleans

Modo+Dynamic booleans+CAD loader plug-in...you won't need T-Splines for sure!! All this for 2000€/$ more or less...
same price of Rhino+T-Splines...without one of the best UI of 3DWorld(just second to MOI :) ),Recoil soft-rigid bodies,animation,a good renderer and more....
Yes..if i could spend some money Modo should be the choice.

M

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M-dynamics,
looks like very strange stuff.. that Fusion..

About soft, for example I can not work not in Rhino nor in Modo))) After MOI just can't ))))

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Groboto is not "New"...

it does those booleans and maintains an "all quad" topology mesh.

It's mesher is unique and powerful.

It is a "tool" with a unique capability. The "bot" is 1.

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That's only one problem about Moi:is addictive !! ..so:be careful.. :)
but you're using now also 3DCoat and C4D..hope you'll use them also for modeling
..if not..force yourself avoiding to fall in addiction ;) :)


I started a Rhino course few months ago
i came from Autocad and Moi,so,no problem at all
Teacher gave us to model a simple abat-jour (bed lamp)
Rhino 4 Snap paralyzed me!! :) :)
I copied the exercise on my pen-drive,went back home i did it in MOI ;) :)
Next lesson i showed to the classroom my cool model
but i was honest..at the end i said the truth(i did that course just to improve my skills)
i'm addicted :)


Thanks Burr,you confirm what i supposed

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M-dynamics nice story ))))
The workflow of rhino is terribly slow compare to MOI, Michael make great job merging different commands in one! Also snapping...
I also watching tutorials on Rhino where they made some stuff for 15 minutes, that I made in MOI for 5 minutes)) So i'm addicted)) It's true. It's good to be addicted to something really good)

Rhino is like 3Ds Max or Maya... Big enormous monster... That was layered with new staff years after years, and save up all problems and mistakes that is not possible to fix without drastically changing it. It's like big pile..

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