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Hi Dinos, I tested your file over here with _CVolume2 from CVolume.v.2.0.2015.09.27.zip and I get the same 3.5 seconds with both launching from a shortcut key or by typing in the command name.

Could you please double check exactly what you have in your keyboard shortcut? Are you certain it's not running some older version on the shortcut key?

I also tested putting some fillets and booleans onto your shape so it took longer for the calculation and still got the same times between shortcut key or typing in the command name.

- Michael

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Hi Dinos, also how are you checking what is in your shortcut key, are you using the UI in the Options dialog or looking directly in the moi.ini file possibly?

- Michael

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Hi Michael,

here is a screenshot from the shortcuts ui and the same line from my moi.ini file, [Shortcut Keys Mac] section:
Shift+V=_CVolume2 /*! Volume */
The complete shortcut section of my moi.ini is attached below.

The _Cvolume script is in: ~/Application Support/Moi/commands and its the latest version.
I've also double checked that there is no other copy of the script in the commands folder of the Moi.app folder.

This is very weird as the behavior that i'm describing is very consistent on my system and fully reproducible..
Perhaps its somehow macos specific?

Dinos

Attachments:
Din_moi.ini.zip

Image Attachments:
volume.jpg 

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I would suggest updating the shortcut key & latest script version, in MoI3 as well.
- Brian

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Hi Dinos, well with your shortcut key of:
_CVolume2 /*! Volume */

that's going to run the _CVolume2 command and pass "/*! Volume */" as a command line parameter to it. So that's different than your other launching method of just typing in _CVolume2.

The _CVolume2.js script happens to look at the command line for an optional angle value to use for the triangulation step. With the command line you are giving it, it's thinking you are requesting a 0 degree angle which will internally get converted into the minimum allowed angle and that will make for a much denser mesh thus taking additional time.

If you set your shortcut key to just plain _CVolume2 exactly like you are typing in you should then get the same result with the 2 different launching methods.

- Michael

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Hi Michael,

that makes perfect sense so thanks a lot for your help to get to the bottom of this!!
I never though of looking for a parameter to Max's script although it did look like it was doing more work when it was slower.

I fixed the shortcut and the performance is now identical :-)

Dinos

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That's great Dinos, I'm glad the mystery is solved!

- Michael

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Hi Michael,

I have problems to import an clean obj file.
Moi is generating double patches.
It is possible to find double patches with a script, or clean up the model with a hidden command? :)

The mesh is absolutly clean and the polycount is 7.400 with an clean polyflow and no triangles. And the mesh is tested for leaks inside of ZBrush.
The attachment shows you witch kind of double patches I mean.

The 3dm-file shows only the double patches. Can't upload the complete object.


Cheers
Jörg

Attachments:
Camel.3dm
Camel_OBJ.zip

Image Attachments:
dromedar.jpg 

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Hi Jörg, thanks for posting the bug report. There are a variety of bug fixes for the OBJ conversion coming in the next beta release including one for this kind of "double use" situation. Also some other new stuff will be that materials will be processed (which can be disabled if desired) and the combined patches will not cross over between material assignments so it will be possible to have some control over the large patch formation that way.

Thanks,
- Michael

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In the case of your simple .3dm file linked it's easy

Select all / Edit / Separate = you have your 2 objects easily selectable and kill the one you don't want !

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Hi Michael,

this are good news!

@Pilou
In the simple file is it no problem to find and delete the patches.
What I need is a waterproof solid to mill the model. The head is allready milled.
Searching for the double patches with mouse over or clicking, is no solution for me :D
Detaching all patches and delete the double and bool the result?

In my case I have rebuild the poly-model (a bit more density with the same polyflow) and re imported it to moi. Now it works and it's a solid. :)

Many thanks!

Here is an result

Image Attachments:
IMG_6019.jpg  IMG_6021.jpg 

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Seems remember that maybe exists some thing for similar volumes ... not sure that can be apply on your case...

Your solution seems many more easy! :)

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I am in love with v4 beta!

Is there a pipe.js that works with v4? Or they all work and I am messing something else up?

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I used the shortcut key Pipe command a few days ago with v4beta.
- Brian

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Hi nameless, re:

> Is there a pipe.js that works with v4? Or they all work and I am messing something else up?

As far as I know they all work with v4. If you have one that doesn't work can you please post it here so I can take a look? There should be 2 files for it pipe.htm and pipe.js . If you only have pipe.js then that's the problem.

- Michael

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Michael and Brian:

Sigh...I was missing the .htm file. Everything works as intended! Sorry for ringing the hotel reception bell in the middle of the night for no reason :<

Is there any drawback in adding extra commands and scripts in commands folder? MoI launches lightning fast since day 1 anyway.

Thank you for the support!

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Hi nameless, I'm glad you got it solved!

re:
> Is there any drawback in adding extra commands and scripts in commands folder?
> MoI launches lightning fast since day 1 anyway.

The main issue is that later on when you get a new beta version installed you will then need to copy them over into the new one as well.

In v4 this can be avoided though since MoI v4 will also look in the appdata/commands folder instead of only in the installation folder one.

The appdata folder is the same place where moi.ini is located, you can find that location by going to Options > General > "Edit .ini file" button - that will open up a dialog and it will show you the location of the appdata folder.

If you copy your extra command files into that commands folder, that's then separate from the application install location.

- Michael

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Thank you Michael! I am already using the appdata folders, it's a very cool addition and makes transition between versions very easy.

I am currently using the awesome Object Library by Smirnov and trying to get better at MoI by creating simple elements that can be kitbashed into hard surface projects later. I have used the beta exclusively and I have never experienced any instability so far. The program seems responsive even when calculating impossible operations.

Image Attachments:
library.jpg 

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Hi nameless, those are looking good!

re:
> The program seems responsive even when calculating impossible operations.

Yes, commands that can potentially take a long time to calculate like booleans or fillets do their heavy number crunching calculations in a separate process called moi_commandprocessor.exe . That helps to keep the main program UI responsive during those things rather than just freezing up.

The other thing that's very helpful for complex operations in v4 is that now since it's a 64-bit program it can make use of all your system RAM and won't hit a wall at 3GB or so like version 3 would.

I'm glad it is working well for you!

- Michael

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@ Nameless There is a "little" Kitbash here!
http://moiscript.weebly.com/kitbash.html

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