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Hello pafurijaz -
This Blender (polygons) to Moi (nurbs from subdivisions) and back to Blender (imported nurbs) path is very interesting.
What is the exact link or release number of the Blender build you used ? And, would you mind sharing an example .blend of a part ?

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Hi, here are some links, for the files I have to search and prepare, That is the workflow is simple,I import the 3dm files (does not support trimmed surfaces for now) with the soc2014 version but viewing is a bit problematic, then save the file and open with a standard version of Blender, then edit the various surfaces because they are poorly displayed, I do nothing special but select the end point 'U' and 'V' several times. then the file is displayed correctly and is a NURBS surface.

NURBS soc-2014-nurbs branch update to Blender2.8(windows)
https://blender.community/c/graphicall/vkbbbc/

https://blenderartists.org/t/branch-soc-2014-nurbs-update-to-master

here an old post about this news
http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=9686.3

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Hey, thanks ! Will give it a spin asap.
[edit] Alright, tried it out, I see - it's pretty interesting indeed, just not quite ready yet but I can see the potential eventually. Will definitely keep an eye on it.

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Hello everyone,

I know this has been discussed before (a lot actually), but I'd like to again suggest some sort of "polygon mesh reference" display similar to image references. No user interaction with the geometry whatsover except for transforms (position, rotation, scale for the object as a whole) and displaying it alongside with the NURBS model in the viewport to serve as a 3D high-poly reference to model off of.
I realize that this is a feature which would need crazy amounts of developing time to implement, but it would make MoI the go-to solution for hobbyists who e.g. want to take a scanned object and re-model it accurately.

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Hi Stwend,

re:
> it would make MoI the go-to solution for hobbyists who e.g. want to take a
> scanned object and re-model it accurately.

There have been a lot of requests for this so it's kind of on my radar but one of the things that helps keep MoI to be streamlined and easy to use is not trying to focus on doing too many different kinds of specialized tasks all jammed together into one single interface.

Right now this type of reverse engineering task is one of those general "not focused on" areas. Really to do a proper job of making it work would involve more than just displaying it, there would need to be a variety of tools added in addition to that to make the whole area work decently.

If you need to do this kind of work a lot, some other program like Rhino would be a better tool for that job right now.

- Michael

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Hi Michael,

I appreciate you answer a lot. It's good to hear the feature is on your radar, which is all I hoped for - right now I'm using Blender for turning the scan into a decent model, and I'm so far in that it wouldn't make sense to migrate to Rhino now, but let me tell you it's a huge pain to create the object (a car) using subdivision modeling. When I need to do that kind of thing again in the (far) future I hope I'll be able to use MoI for the job.

Best,
Stefan

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Hi Stefan, cars are kind of a difficult model to work with anywhere. They are also difficult to do in NURBS because they have a lot of swoopy curved surfaces that usually need to be modeled in NURBS as extended patches that are then trimmed. That's in general a more finicky and advanced type of surface modeling.

The key area where NURBS modeling is way way easier than sub-d modeling is when your shapes can be well defined by 2D profile curves and boolean operations. That is not usually a fit with a car though.

It's a type of model that I think can be easier to do in sub-d because you don't have to worry so much about extended surface shapes.

- Michael

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An easy workaround for that I use in Rhino I import the OBJ model than I extract all curves and leave the surfaces behind if the OBJ is not to dense leaves me a cage that I can then trace over I have used this on projects many times. I import that cage into MOI and get clean precise rebuilds.

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There is also a standalone helper program you can get at http://moi3d.com/resources#Obj23dmWireframe_converter that can open an .obj file and generate a wireframe .3dm file from it that can then be loaded into MoI. It makes line segments from all the polygon edges.

- Michael

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Hi Michael,

In this link, (hard to believe that it was two years ago), you mentioned "...new evaluateCurvature(t) function. But it might need an additional method for getting curve parameter values for points equally spaced along the curve, I will see about adding that in."
also "...I'm planning on adding another batch of curve functions for the next beta as well, that should do the trick..."

https://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=8814.12

I reviewed the newer MoIV4 beta posts, and did not find new curve functions.
Will you be posting such new methods?

The reason that I ask is that the new script that I am working on uses curve r(t) values at "t" to form a sphere of radius r(t) at parameter point "t2" of a path curve.
It seems to me that the parameter "t or t2" values of the two curves may be of different SPACING or NON-UNIFORMITY. (In some cases.)
(In a sense I'm using t and t2 as uniform time parameters...? (unit speed curve??)) (The script will be a "sphereSweep" script.)

(I am compensating for min and max values of t and t2 being different. Say (0 <= t <= 1) for radius curve and (0 <= t2 <=5) for path curve.)

Also it seems that given a t3 parameter value of a curve, and existing script methods, a point currently can be found, but given a point on the curve, its t3 value cannot currently be found by script.

- Brian

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Hi Brian,

> In this link, (hard to believe that it was two years ago), you mentioned "...new evaluateCurvature(t)
> function. But it might need an additional method for getting curve parameter values for points
> equally spaced along the curve, I will see about adding that in."
> also "...I'm planning on adding another batch of curve functions for the next beta as well, that
> should do the trick..."

The function for getting curve parameters for equally space distances along the curves hasn't made
it in yet but it should be possible to accomplish using the ArrayCurve command to generate equally
spaced points and then crv.dropPoint( pt ) to get the parameter value for each point.


re:
> Also it seems that given a t3 parameter value of a curve, and existing script methods, a point currently
> can be found, but given a point on the curve, its t3 value cannot currently be found by script.

It can be - that's the dropPoint() methods added in the Jan-22-2020 v4 beta, there is a collection
of all the V4 beta release notes gathered in one spot here: http://moi3d.com/wiki/V4Beta

Add script methods for dropping points:
curve.dropPoint( pt ) - returns curve parameter value of closest point on the curve to the given 3D point.
curvesegment.dropPoint( pt ) - returns curve parameter value of closest point on the curve segment to the given 3D point.
face.dropPoint( pt ); - returns 2D uv coordinate point of closest point on the face to the given 3D point.
brep.dropPoint( pt ); - finds closest point on brep to given 3D point. Returns a list with 3 items, 0: Face object that the closest point is on, 1: 2D uv coordinate for the face, 2: 3D coordinate of the closest point.

The dropPoint() method takes a point as the input, it can be either on or off the curve. It then returns
the parameter value for the closest location of the curve to the point. If it is on the curve then you can think
of it as a conversion from 3D point into curve parameter value. If it's off the curve then it's like you were to
draw the shortest line from the point onto a spot on the curve and it will give the parameter value of that
curve location.

- Michael

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Thank you very much Michael.

Your "closest point" explanation is also very helpful.

dropPoint() method is perfect for my script. With array points, code from good old LineWeb script.

[So, I did not read the most recent release notes,but have now :-) ]

- Brian

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You're welcome Brian. That's new so please let me know if you have any problems with it.

- Michael

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Hi Michael,
you think it would be possible to set colors of the axes to remain static?
For example to set X=blue, Y=red, Z=green and have this visibility set in all viewports.

Now I set it like above and in top view it's fine, but in front and right view it's correctly shown only in small icons.
Actual axes in ports are always shown like X and Y.
Also I don't see Z axis at all in 3D viewport.

I checked the documentation and settings but had no luck.
Thanks
Juraj

Image Attachments:
moi axes.jpg 

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Hi Juraj, some previous discussion here:
http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=6424.2

I've been meaning to change it how you're asking though.

- Michael

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Great.
Thanks Michael.

Looking forward.

Juraj

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Hi,

do you think it is possible to extend the ISO curve tool into some kind of ISO grid/network tool? At the moment we can draw one line into each v and u direction. It would be awesome to have this feature extended into a network function with equal distance in the net segments and that net is projected onto the surface. See the image, please. I build that out of several ISO lines and it would be great to do that faster with a network function because at the moment you get a lot of overlapping lines when building a regular net like this. Do you think sth like this would be possible? Thank you!

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ISo_grid.jpg 

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Hi Chris,

re:
> do you think it is possible to extend the ISO curve tool into some kind of ISO grid/network tool?

Is it for modeling purposes or just for display like a type of hatching?

There is a "Multi-iso" plugin script that you can get from Max's file archive page:
http://moi.maxsm.net/media/files/

That may do what you're looking for here.

- Michael

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I am just going to drop these 2 here, as I think they are important for V5

- When you paste a copied selection using ctrl+shift+V, it would be ideal to be able to adjust the scale of it before commiting, instead of being able to adjust the orientation only. Right now, if you change the size after placement, the origin of the original placement gets shifted and you need to readjust to get the boolean at the right level. It's almost always the case, that you need a size adjustment, especially if you are detailing a larger form with premade kit objects.

- I am not sure if I am missing something but it would be more intuitive, if while moving points of a curve, they would snap on other points of the curve being edited. A simple example is attempting to "close" a triangle, trying to snap the end of a 3 segment line to the start. At the moment, curve points being moved, only seem to "recognize" points that belong to other curves as a snap target.

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Michael,

When attempting to create a blend curve between 2 curves the result can be unexpected if they have been selected using a marquee selection, because the closest endpoints of the input curves are determined to be endpoints of the new blend curve, regardless of the curve direction

I know that you loath to introduce new functionality if it complicated the UI/UX, but please consider (if you can see the value in it) of including a check box that appears only in the instance of marquee selection of input curves, that reads something like- "Use Curve Direction". See image below:



Obviously, this is a trivial matter compared to the release of the final beta, but if this suggestion is practical, both in the senses of achievable & of practical use to others, please consider it for inclusion to a future update.

Thanks, James
https://www.instagram.com/nodeology/

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