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"Maybe a switch in prefs where power users can switch on some extras"

In my experience, this is usually a downward spiral. Basically think of a switch as doubling the testing workload and adding to maintenance overhead. That's how you have to weigh every checkbox you add to an app. It can get deadly pretty quick.

The best idea is to design the UI so that it works for everyone. Maybe the power users aren't 100% satisfied but if they can get to an 80% happiness level with it, that's enough.

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Maybe a cool solution will be a customisable UI where user can put for example all icons for it's scripts on a new dock ! ;)

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thats sounds good, a kind of personal tool panel . . .
matt

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I've thought before about making the empty space after the "Object Snap" button be a place where you could place your own icons to have a customized tool area.

But there is a lot of work involved in doing UI customization, right now more fundamental tools are still higher priority.

It is actually possible to customize the UI in a manual sort of way right now by editing the .htm files inside of the \ui directory inside of MoI.

- Michael

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Ok, I've been working on getting a UI to control this stuff for exporting to AI and PDF formats.

This is what I'm currently going to try:



Scale can be either "Fit to page" or "Preserve units".

If you push "Line style options", then another dialog will pop up that will let you control how the different kinds of lines are written for line width, color, and if they should go on a specific layer. You can pick "From style" if you want the color or layer to come from its style assignment, or "Custom" if you want to override that with a specific color or layer instead.




Please let me know if anything important looks like it is missing.

Thanks,
- Michael

Image Attachments:
hidden_line_ui1.jpg  hidden_line_ui2.jpg 

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Make the dialog box "adaptative" (in horizontal dimension) for the future text translation! ;)

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Hi Pilou,

> Make the dialog box "adaptative" (in horizontal dimension) for the future text translation! ;)

Yup, that is how it works already - the dialog is automatically sized to fit the content inside of it. If the translated text is longer the dialog will also get wider as well.

- Michael

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Hi Michael,
this looks perfect, orderly and by no means overloaded or too complex to me.
I suppose choices are sticky so one has to set this only once to his/her personal needs.

There's a typo in the export window: silhouettes should have one more T.

What unit are the line widths (0.1, 3, 0.4 ..) in the export option window?

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Maybe a little example image with arrows for show the different possibilities will be a big help!
(outline, silhouette etc...

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Hi Martin,

> this looks perfect, orderly and by no means overloaded or too complex to me.

Great! At first I was trying to put it all on one single dialog and that was getting pretty overloaded. I also experimented some with having a different individual dialog for doing the line type (width / color / layer) of each category but it kind of seemed nice to have that all on one place so it was easier to see them all at once.


> I suppose choices are sticky so one has to set this only once to his/her personal needs.

Yeah I want to save everything you see there in moi.ini so any changes you make here will persist between sessions.



> There's a typo in the export window: silhouettes should have one more T.

Thanks for catching this!



> What unit are the line widths (0.1, 3, 0.4 ..) in the export option window?

In "points" units.


Thanks, - Michael

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Hi Pilou,

> Maybe a little example image with arrows for show the different possibilities will be a big help!
> (outline, silhouette etc...

It's a good idea, but I think it would be kind of hard to show it very clearly without some fairly large images, and that would then somewhat overwhelm the dialog.

Some example images would probably work work well in the help file.

- Michael

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hi michael

looks good. For me the only thing missing is another option in scale drop down menu - I would love to be able to set a percentage - i.e.. 20%. I think is maybe not an option which is yet programmed . . .

matt

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Hi Michael,

I was going to ask for even more complexity :-) i.e. an units option for the line width but then I remembered that one typographic point equals 1/72 inch.

Since its a set and forget setting here's a quick table showing the point values for different technical pen sizes.
The formula is MM / 25.4 * 72

Image Attachments:
technical pen sizes in points.png 

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Hi Michael,

> I would love to be able to set a percentage - i.e.. 20%.

Yes, i agree.

Otherwise its perfect. It will improve my workflow by 500%. Thanks.

Carlos

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This is quite detailed!
it's becoming a quite hefty feature.

Too me it looks great, maybe a resolution indicator in gray text next to the megapixel input box could be handy.
I'm not used to size things in megapixels and seeing the resolution would help to figure out, for example if I need something around 2500px wide for a letter size image @300dpi.



Marc

Image Attachments:
hidden_line_ui1.png 

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Hi matt,

> looks good. For me the only thing missing is another option in scale drop down menu - I
> would love to be able to set a percentage - i.e.. 20%. I think is maybe not an option
> which is yet programmed . . .

You should be able to get a percentage scale using the "Preserve units" option shown above... To scale by 20% you would say:

    1 unit in MoI = 0.2 units on page

Won't that do what you are asking for? Or do I maybe not understand how the percentage scale is supposed to work?

- Michael

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Hi Marc,

> Too me it looks great, maybe a resolution indicator in gray text next to the megapixel
> input box could be handy.
> I'm not used to size things in megapixels and seeing the resolution would help to figure out, for example if I
> need something around 2500px wide for a letter size image @300dpi.

The way it works is the actual specific image resolution is fit to go around the objects being exported, so for example if you have a set of objects that are wide horizontally you'll get a wide image too.

So the specific pixel dimensions are not fixed, it will vary depending on what's actually being exported.

- Michael

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Hi Michael,

Any chance of getting 4 tick boxes for each Projecton Views, and export all ticked at the same time, with the same scale, appending one sufix on each file like FileName-FRONT, FileName-3D, and so on?

Otherwise have to export 4 times the very same file. Its doable, or does it make sense to you?

Carlos

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Hi Carlos, right now I just don't have things set up to export multiple views like that, I think I'm going to focus for the first release of this just on getting one single view at a time and try to make sure that's working ok to begin with.

Then in the future maybe I could add in a option for "All" under the "Projection view" option that would then put in 4 views into the same file... Is it important to you for the views to remain in separate files rather than arranged in a grid on one single page?

- Michael

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Hi Michael,

4 Views in the same file is even better, actually with 4 separate Files/Views i'll end up gathering the 4 in 1 file/drawing.

Thanks.

Carlos

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