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From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
20 Dec 2022   [#1740]
60 Mysterious Passenger Odd Nerdrum https://imgbox.com/g/v3wEnFp3Ow


60 Mysterious Passenger Moebius https://imgbox.com/g/RQSjw0dC08





From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
21 Dec 2022   [#1741]
60 Bather at the River Odd Nerdrum https://imgbox.com/g/i8yCRn3CFl


60 Bather at the River Moebius https://imgbox.com/g/8Dax0kM6Cs





From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
22 Dec 2022   [#1742]
60 Railway Station Odd Nerdrum https://imgbox.com/g/GjeZLXSSow


60 Railway Station Moebius https://imgbox.com/g/mvgjzJV1mA





From: TOM (SIRTOM)
29 Dec 2022   [#1743]

@frenchpilou

You are a true adventurous explorer into digital tools :-) !! And you seem to have digged deeply
into the field of AI assisted art creation.
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So my question to you is which AI assisted tool is your favourite and why ?
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Is there an AI tool you found specially good at creating architecture and design ?
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Which free AI tool would you recommend for taking first steps into this field ?
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Happy to get some good insights from you - and of course anyone with experience in this field !

From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
29 Dec 2022   [#1744] In reply to [#1743]
Hello Tom
Happy near new year! :)
As you can see above my 2 favorite are (till now) Gaugan2 (by Nvidia Labo research) and Wombo
http://gaugan.org/gaugan2/
https://dream.ai/create

Both are free Online (no limit of number images) and very simple to use!
Sure limited in size but with some other free AI you can increase these images result XY limits!
Gaugan (1024 * 1024) Wombo1080 * 1920 frame include
Both works on very old computer ( PC ten years old! )
And very speedy...for me :) 5s / image (Wombo) ! 2s (Gaugan)

All try of other local Ai was a nightmare for me...and falls! :(
Too big and long install....
And it's not my spirite of computer use...too many parameters to input! :)
Life is too short! :)

Gaugan is very tricky by its 32 colors materials see my Gaugan pages! :) https://moiscript.weebly.com/gaugan.html & https://moiscript.weebly.com/gaugan-365.html
Wombo by its 50 free "Styles" ... see my Wombo page https://moiscript.weebly.com/wombo.html
(from a week Wombo has "Premium" functions/styles) but keeps 50 free styles... :)

About design and architecture maybe this trick of Wombo can be used from any Moi image!!! (or any image)
You can input an image and give a % slider of following for the render! :)


Else my last advice will this one: use the fabulous free Lexica.art!
https://lexica.art
It's the The Stable Diffusion (another graphic Ai) search engine but as you can copy any Prompt... :)
You obtain in one second 2500 images minimum on any subjects!!!
Here Bridge / Calatrava : of course quasi nothing is from Calatrava but...you have some moments of inspiration!
https://lexica.art/?q=Bridge+calatrava
And as you can click any image for again 2500 images of the style of the clicked image...you must have nine lives for all see! :)


This search engine image is for me the best one at this day! Ergonomy, speed etc...

You can of course also create your own prompt for input in your favorite AI...
I believe that you can talk also with an free Ai chat for help you in ay subject : )
https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/
So ask (him she it) something as elaborated prompt! Any languages! :)
Have funny discovery!

for prompt architecture design ... style Sureal (wombo)


for color style Building (Gaugan) no prompt


Ps NightCafe another free one but just 512*512 and 5 free images / day! :)
https://nightcafe.studio
From: TOM (SIRTOM)
29 Dec 2022   [#1745] In reply to [#1744]
Hello Pilou and the Very Best New Year Wishes to you, too !!
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Thank you so much for your quick reply - very helpful !! I just had a first
look into this topic yesterday and voila - Google among others guided
me to the MOI Forum and to you Pilou :-)
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What I found everywhere mentioned is Midjourney and Dally-E (have you
tried them out ?) but I trust your experience and will go for a ride with the tools
you mentioned- after all they seem to be very easy to use, deliver lots of output
- and are FREE !!
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So if there are any more tips coming coming to your mind in regard of AI powered
Artwork / Design / Architecture - just let me know !!

All the best TOM

PS : below two images I found very fascinating - and I would like to experiment in
this direction :

Image Attachments:
01.jpg  02.jpg 


From: TOM (SIRTOM)
29 Dec 2022   [#1746] In reply to [#1745]
Question regarding AI tools Pilou : Is it only possible to render images selected
randomely by the AI - or is it also possible to feed the AI wit a specific image pool
an dtell it to mix/melt them together ?
From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
29 Dec 2022   [#1747] In reply to [#1745]
It was the title of my thread but...
I have tried the online versions but drop out...become payable after some images...
As I make thousand of thousand images that was not a solution for me! :)
And put another ones in the same thread! :)

here NightCafe with architecture design as prompt

From: TOM (SIRTOM)
29 Dec 2022   [#1748] In reply to [#1747]
"I have tried the online versions but drop out.."

"Online versions" - You ust be online to get the AI working I guess - or
how do you get access to the billions of images then ?
From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
29 Dec 2022   [#1749] In reply to [#1748]
You can free access of billions images by Lexica.art shown above! Even you don't use any Ai! ;)

You can also to install some Ai in local in your computer but that is generally some time consuming and install like 20 gigas or more! :)
But at the end you have total control on the numerous parameters!
With the "online version" many of them becomes payable after 10 or 100 images!

Good luck! :)

Eve

From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
29 Dec 2022   [#1750]
4446.1746 In reply to 4446.1745
<<Is it only possible to render images selected
randomely by the AI
Yes because you have the total Prompt! ;)
and the seed, format etc...
so you must have the same image with your own variations if you want!


- or is it also possible to feed the AI wit a specific image pool
it to mix/melt them together ?
Yes you can also make that! ;)
Fields of possibilities are some large!
example : Steampunk cityscape of new york city, by tim hildebrandt, wayne barlowe, syd mead, john harris, bruce pennington, donato giancola, larry elmore, oil on canvas, artstation, pixiv, cinematic composition, dramatic, beautiful lighting

Model
Stable Diffusion 1.5
Seed
929179597
Guidance scale
7
Dimensions
512 × 512

so for Wombo take juste something like this and put capitale letters to Names
Careful just 200 letters!!!
steampunk cityscape of New York city oil on canvas, cinematic composition dramatic beautiful lighting Tim Hildebrandt
Original Stable

Inside Wombo

From: pior (PIOR_O)
29 Dec 2022   [#1751] In reply to [#1750]
Hi there,
Please be aware that any AI image generator relying on Laion5B is built upon massive art theft and privacy infringement, as the images used for training were not opt-in. None of the artists whose work was used gave their consent to it.

As a matter of fact here are two crowdfunding campaigns currently ongoing to rectify that, one in Europe and one in the US :

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-protect-our-art-and-data-from-ai-companies
https://www.gofundme.com/f/protecting-artists-from-ai-technologies

Also important :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Viy3Cu3DLk

AI-driven image generation is undoubtedly fascinating, but in its current state is highly unethical. It gets even worse when people start prompting it to emulate the style of specific artists living or dead like Moebius, Kim Jung Gi, Miyazaki, Syd Mead, and so on. Feeding their work into ML is IMHO the polar opposite of their legacy built on their dedication to their craft.
From: TOM (SIRTOM)
29 Dec 2022   [#1752]
@ Pilou : Thank you for your great tips. very appreciated !!
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@ Pior : It is incredibly fascinating what the latest AI is capable of doing
but of course copyright must be respected and this is surely a very
hot topic - steal or no steal ?!
From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
29 Dec 2022   [#1753]
Like Chees, Go Game, etc... Ai are now more strong than humans!
I have believed that I don't see during my life a computer win a Go Game play against a Pro Player : in 2 years that was finished!
4 -1 for Alpha Go... some time after the new Alpha Go (who learn alone) 100 - 0 again previous Alpha Go!!! Human has no chance except he changes all that he has learned over the millennia ! :)

That will be the same for graphic, 2D, 3D, Design, Expert System etc...
Explore this site... https://www.altair.com
From: pior (PIOR_O)
29 Dec 2022   [#1754] In reply to [#1752]
Well, as far as I am concerned there is no debate, and all I can do is bring up awareness to the issue and link to the crowdfunding efforts in the hope that people donate. And hopefully, besides legislation one can hope that the cultural backlash against this stuff will be strong enough. I am not interested in arguing "for or against" here.

Whether or not someone decides to trample over an artists legacy just because it amuses them and fulfills their need for instant gratification using an unethically developed tool is up to them.

@FP : These AI images generators are not just cleverly designed algorithms. They only exist and function as well as they do because they are using scraped artwork as an input in a way than none of the artists ever agreed to. You are free to do as you please of course since you are the one making your own moral choices. All I can say is please look into the issue further. IMHO every single one of these images is an insult to the artists who got unknowingly fed into the dataset.
From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
29 Dec 2022   [#1755] In reply to [#1754]
@Prior
it's the beginning...
Yes it's not fair to use the artist's work without permission or without some retribution when something is sold.
But how solve this ? Here artists are dead from centuries...
Seems it's not an insult but more an homage!
Of course that is for publicity but this is an another story! :)

From: pior (PIOR_O)
29 Dec 2022   [#1756] In reply to [#1755]
As said, up to you to consider it an "hommage". As far as I am aware I have not been dead for centuries, yet my work (and the work of millions of others of course) is part of the DB of scraped artwork. SamDoesArt is very much alive as well, yet this is happening :
https://youtu.be/5Viy3Cu3DLk?t=513

Also, the future is not set in stone - there has already been precedents where companies using unethically gathered data for ML have been obligated to destroy their model. So there's hope on that front.

So again, I won't be arguing here because firstly this is not the place to do so, and secondly I believe that you probably aren't aware of what's actually going on, and there is likely some stuff being lost in translation too. So please look into it. A good place to start would be to look at the GoFundMe pages linked earlier.
From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
29 Dec 2022   [#1757] In reply to [#1756]
Prompt "mickey Disney" (we can't write anymore prompt in free version :(
images not for sale only for pleasure of the eyes!
The problem is for the company if they don't retribute Disney not for for me! ;)


From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
29 Dec 2022   [#1758]
In 3D...

From: pior (PIOR_O)
29 Dec 2022   [#1759] In reply to [#1757]
HI there,
You're obviously not understanding (or pretending not to understand) my earlier posts about the source of the current 2D ML models, so I'll leave it at that.

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