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From: Michael Gibson
20 Feb   [#5] In reply to [#3]
Hi Mala,

re:
> But - my results were always this: It's not completely identical.

The rotated result would only be identical to the unrotated original if it was an exact circle, which your shape is not.

- Michael
From: Lara (MALA)
21 Feb   [#6]
...ok, MIS TAKE.
I had made a sweep with the notch profile. And then a cut perpendicular to the spline and thought: Looks like a circle > is a circle. WRONG...hmmm´grmpfl...
My idea now is to work with an array. Starting from the two already rotated profiles in a clean side view.
Problem: I would like to place the array profiles where the spline points describe the tight curves. To use them in the sweep. How do I achieve this?






Attachments:
PROFILE ROTATION PROB_2 MOI FORUM.3dm

Image Attachments:
PROFILE ROTATION 90° new concept.png  PROFILE ROTATION 90° new concept_.png 


From: Michael Gibson
21 Feb   [#7] In reply to [#6]
Hi Mala,

re:
> Problem: I would like to place the array profiles where the spline points describe the tight
> curves. To use them in the sweep. How do I achieve this?

That's kind of weird thing to do for a couple of reasons.

One is that the control points of a curve are a polyline like this:



Note that some control points are on the curve and some are away from the curve. So placing profiles at each point is not really productive.

Another thing is that it is already built in to the sweep command that it adds more internal profiles for bends. So you're kind of trying to manually reproduce what sweep already does internally.

It could help if I understood why you want to do this, what problem are you trying to solve?

- Michael

Image Attachments:
mala_control_points1.jpg 


From: Michael Gibson
21 Feb   [#8] In reply to [#6]
Hi Mala, if you take just one single profile curve and sweep it, it seems to make it around the bend ok:





Is there something wrong with this result?

- Michael

Attachments:
PROFILE ROTATION PROB_2 MOI FORUM2.3dm

Image Attachments:
mala_sweep1.jpg  mala_sweep2.jpg 


From: Michael Gibson
21 Feb   [#9] In reply to [#6]
Are you trying to get something like this?

Sweep one circle:



Makes a tube like this:



Boolean intersection the tube with bottom profile to cut away outer part:



- Michael

Attachments:
PROFILE ROTATION PROB_2 MOI FORUM3.3dm

Image Attachments:
mala_sweep3.jpg  mala_sweep4.jpg  mala_sweep5.jpg 


From: Lara (MALA)
22 Feb   [#10]
Hi Michael,
Thank you very much for your energy and commitment in dealing with my constructive problems.
More details:
I would like to achieve the following. At the point where the two green profiles are, the sweeps should change or meet, specifically from horizontal to vertical.

This means that the profiles arriving from both sides rotate along their splines. This rotation should begin at the “bend point” when they come from the side with the narrow radius, for example. That is why I would like to place the profiles there.
Is that reasonably understandable?

Mala

P.S.:
I tried to recreate it for illustrative purposes.
What irritates me a little, beyond the actual problem of profile placement at the bending points, is that these sweeps don't work...hmmm....







Attachments:
PROFILE ROTATION PROB_2 MOI FORUM_.3dm

Image Attachments:
PROFILE ROTATION 90° detailed.png 


From: Michael Gibson
22 Feb   [#11] In reply to [#10]
Hi Mala, I'm sorry I'm still not really understanding what you're trying to do but I will keep looking at it.

re:
> What irritates me a little, beyond the actual problem of profile placement at the bending
> points, is that these sweeps don't work...hmmm...

Can you show me a specific sweep that doesn't work?

You've got 12 different profile curves and 4 different rails in your file and it's difficult for me to know which combination in particular is not working.

I tried various ones like this one, works:



Then I tried this one, seems to work:



Tried this one , also seems to work:



- Michael

Image Attachments:
mala_sweep10.jpg  mala_sweep11.jpg  mala_sweep6.jpg  mala_sweep7.jpg  mala_sweep8.jpg  mala_sweep9.jpg 


From: Lara (MALA)
22 Feb   [#12]
...I am myself looking for a solution for a constructive idea. I have already been able to solve this idea with a few nodes. But it doesn't work here. Perhaps the concept is simply not applicable here.
I want the profiles to rotate so that they meet vertically. However, they start horizontally and vertically. The longitudinal rotation should take place in the bend.
I don't think that's possible. Regardless of where exactly the profiles are placed for the sweep...


Attachments:
PROFILE ROTATION PROB_2 MOI FORUM__swept profiles failed construction idea.3dm

Image Attachments:
PROFILE ROTATION 90° failed constructive idea.png 


From: pressure (PEER)
22 Feb   [#13] In reply to [#12]
Hi Mala,

Is this what you mean? I used Sweep, then Twist, and finally Flow. Extrude would also work for the first step.

- Peer

Attachments:
Mala twist flow.3dm

Image Attachments:
Mala twist flow.png 


From: BurrMan
23 Feb   [#14] In reply to [#12]
Here is an option....



Attachments:
PROFILE ROTATION PROB_3.3dm

Image Attachments:
curves.jpg  swept.jpg 


From: Barry-H
23 Feb   [#15] In reply to [#12]
Hi Mala,
here is another option.
Cut out section where the twist is required
.Select corresponding edges and copy to create curves to blend,
Use the blend curves as guides for sweep.
Cheers
Barry


Image Attachments:
Blend Option.png 


From: Lara (MALA)
25 Feb   [#16]
Hello supporters,
Thank you very much for your principles and ideas.
In principle, the solutions show something of what I wanted to achieve. When I look at it this way, I realize that it looks different than I had imagined. The closest is the last option from Barry-h. (even though I don't quite understand the workflow yet). Because there, the axial rotation happens over a long distance. I need to try it out some more and tinker with it. I'm still too far away from the ideal design.
Best regards, Tom
From: BurrMan
25 Feb   [#17] In reply to [#16]
Hey Tom,
Here is a short video showing what Barry is describing. I couldn't tell whether you wanted the twist to be longer or shorter, so I took my file and created a shorter "harder twist"..

It should explain what is going on and how he described to generate the curves for the twist sweep. If you wanted the twist to be longer, You would do it over a further distance... This should have it make sense.


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