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From: BurrMan
5 Feb   [#1]
Hi Michael,
I have been giving the conic tool a solid personal walkthrough...

I have 2 basic questions (Well, one please inform me and one Gibson brain pick)

If I draw an ellipse and cut it in exact half, what do i call this?

For instance I can make the conic tool draw little parabolas at all points of the ellipse because I can use the tan's of the first 2 picks to get a point for the apex pick point... What would i do in the case of the half ellipse where both endpoints of the open half have "parallel tan's", so no converging point to choose?

The other brain pick was for fun to see if you had anything for me. I was looking into ways to find the foci of the ellipse... I ended up with the fastest "graphical way" (No formulas please) was to use a radius sphere at the semi major axis value and place its origin at the minor axis end point and foci are at intersection...

Is there any other "Trick" you have in the bag?

Thanks again!
From: Michael Gibson
5 Feb   [#2] In reply to [#1]
Hi Burr,

re:
> If I draw an ellipse and cut it in exact half, what do i call this?

Well half a circle is called a semi-circle so maybe semi-ellipse?

It seems that is a real word:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/semiellipse

Or perhaps just "Elliptical arc" if it's not half across the minor or major axis.


> What would i do in the case of the half ellipse where both endpoints of the
> open half have "parallel tan's", so no converging point to choose?

Usually for a NURBS representation of a circle or ellipse it will be made up of 90 degree arc pieces that are glued together.

If you want to make one made up of glued together arcs, use Join to join them into a segmented curve and then run Merge on it and it will fuse the 2 pieces into one segment with a "corner point" (fully multiple knot) between the pieces.

A good book that shows some other possible formulations is Curves and Surfaces For Computer Aided Geometric Design by Gerald Farin:
https://archive.org/details/curvessurfacesfo0000fari_x6i3
Check out chapter 13 and 14 there.
There may be an example there with using a zero weight value for a non-converging control polygon but most CAD systems will not like to work with negative or zero weight values.


> The other brain pick was for fun to see if you had anything for me. I was looking
> into ways to find the foci of the ellipse...

Sounds like something Brian (Bemfarmer) would know. He hasn't been around in a while.

Maybe something here?
https://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=11453.1

- Michael
From: Michael Gibson
5 Feb   [#3] In reply to [#1]
Also maybe related here are a Parabola and Hyperbola scripts for drawing those by foci:
https://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOI&msg=7777.1772

- Michael
From: BurrMan
5 Feb   [#4] In reply to [#3]
Thank you Michael…
From: BurrMan
5 Feb   [#5] In reply to [#3]
Hi Michael,
Sorry to bother. I am a little stuck on using the scripts for parabola and hyperbola

For me, here is an ellipse with its foci marked with points

Can you show me the usage of the scripts with these "pick points" or major-minor axis parameters please?

Or explain further..

Thanks.

Attachments:
ellipse with foci.3dm

Image Attachments:
foci points.png 


From: BurrMan
5 Feb   [#6] In reply to [#5]
Ok, I think I figured out my error. Did some more reading and digging...

"""""This should be evident from looking at the drawings (the foci are inside an ellipse, outside a hyperbola).""""""""

This is where I confused myself. So the script isn't doing what I was trying to make it do...
From: BurrMan
5 Feb   [#7] In reply to [#6]
I got it now.

Thanks again for the time...
From: Frenchy Pilou (PILOU)
10 Feb   [#8]