Thank you everyone for the hints to look at for renderers. Another puzzle to work on! Ease of use and fairly quick renders at a good quality is my criteria at this point. I can't imagine waiting days to see a render! I know that makes me impatient, but with limited time to play with my new toys I seem to want instant gratification. What was I telling someone the other day? Oh yeah (patience is a virtue". :) thanks again for sharing your ideas with me!

John