Thankyou again Michael, I am going to contact Nextlimit about this, see what they have to say. So far, this is my only gripe about a NURBS workflow I have just started, so I would like to see it fixed. BTW you probably get this a lot but Moi is simply incredible, it's easy to use and NURBS are simply wonderful in it, many things in Cinema 4D that would have took days can be done in hours! But just like the C4D Cafe, your site is also wonderful and full of support by you and others, keep up the good work! (: