Hi BurrMan, not insulted at all. I can see how many objects are created, and I am learning more by following tutorials for other software like Inventor, but there are some areas that still cause me problems, but I will get eventually. It's very awkward for me to explain, I can visualise things in my head as 3D, terraced gardens, ponds and the like, but transferring them to CAD is just alien to me, I think some peoples brains are just more efficient at creating things 3 dimensionally than others, or at least that's the excuse I use :P

Martin