Hi Pilou, thanks for the reply and the link, I have seen this chaps work before but most of his tutorials are in Spanish, but he does do good stuff. I like to read tutorials but prefer to do things my own way, most tutorials I have tried following in the past are for other software, and although their style works for them it's pretty alien to me, so i tend to run into problems and just settle for trying things my way until i get it right. I will at some stage try an old car with plenty of reference pictures of the interior,and then hopefully i will get the hang of the principles and the ratios involved if that makes sense.

All the best

Martin